WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.000 We have about an hour so 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:08.000 we have panelists here representing. 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:12.000 Greg Castanzo is with the Oregon 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:16.000 State Police. Phil Sauer is with 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:20.000 the Oregon Department of Corrections. 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:24.000 Wendy Hamilton is with Polk County Juvenile Department. 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:28.000 This isn't working? Okay. 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:32.000 Did everybody hear those earlier? 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:36.000 Good enough? Okay. 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:40.000 Next is Sabrina Hunter who's 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:44.000 with Salem Police Department. And then Kevin Jones 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:48.000 is at the end and he's with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:52.000 What I'd like them to do is to talk 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:56.000 about their careers a little bit. 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:60.000 What are the requirements for the career at entry level? 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:04.000 Maybe something about pay and benefits. 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.000 And what the job is like. 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:12.000 What they like about it, preferably, and maybe 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:16.000 some things that they don't like about it. Whatever they want to talk about. 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:20.000 They all have about six or seven 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:24.000 minutes to talk about that, so we'll leave plenty of time 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:28.000 for questions at the end. Keep some questions in mind. 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:32.000 I think we'll start at this end 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.000 with Trooper Castanzo. 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:40.000 We'll move down the line, and you guys can give your proper 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:44.000 titles and experience and everything else. 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:48.000 Is that okay? Yes, sir. 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:52.000 Hopefully they'll talk about the importance of an education, too, 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:56.000 to their profession. 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:60.000 That was just a hint. 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:04.000 Well, good morning. I'd like to welcome everybody here. I'm going to do 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:08.000 a quick introduction about myself, because I do think it's important. 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:12.000 I grew up in Medford, where I went to North Medford High School. 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:16.000 I participated in athletics, from football to wrestling to baseball. And then in 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:24.000 much like you are doing here for a tour of Western, and I met 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.000 Doctor Gibbons back then, and I think he was my advisor back in 1988, 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:32.000 which seems like a long time ago. I knew that 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:36.000 Western was going to be a place that I would get my degree in Criminal Justice. 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:40.000 I had the unique vision for myself that I knew I always wanted 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:44.000 to be in law enforcement ever since I was a young kid, and that was 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:48.000 very lucky for me, because it's a career path that I've 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:52.000 enjoyed for over 20 years now. 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.000 In 1988 I also applied for a scholarship where I went into the 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:60.000 ROTC program. Back then it was at Oregon State, so I did a 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.000 minor in ROTC and a major in law enforcement up here at Western. 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:08.000 I went through my four years 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:12.000 and in 1994 I graduated and I went into the 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:16.000 military. I served my country as a first lieutenant 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:20.000 all the way up through a captain where I had a lot of fun. I was on SWAT 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:24.000 and I got to jump out of airplanes. I went to pathfinder school. 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:28.000 Unfortunately, or fortunately for me, I also met a young gal at Western 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:32.000 who was a teacher, who I've been married to for 21 years now, and she said 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:40.000 want to do? And I knew I wanted to be an Oregon State trooper. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:44.000 I got hired in 1998. I was stationed in Salem. 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:48.000 I've been a motorcycle officer. I've had a canine 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:52.000 for ten years. I've been a field training officer. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:56.000 I've been on specialty teams, and now I'm a bomb technician for the state 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:60.000 police and I absolutely love going to work every day. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:04.000 Some of the things that I've done that college has benefitted me 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:08.000 is being able to speak in public. Also writing is very important. 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:12.000 My four years at Western and with Doctor Gibbons has really shaped 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:16.000 me into being a well rounded police officer, and that's the number one benefit 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:20.000 that I see with education. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.000 Those who don't have it struggle with some of the day-to-day tasks of 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:28.000 law enforcement because they are grueling when you get into academic 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:32.000 skills such as writing and being able to articulate what you've learned 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:36.000 over time. Criminal justice has changed. One of the things 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:40.000 I love about it is the people that I 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.000 work with. The people up here on the panel; there's something about going to 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:48.000 work as a team and being able to sacrifice 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:52.000 yourself for a better cause, and that's serving the community. 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:56.000 I absolutely love it. I have been doing it now for 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:60.000 twenty years. The pay and benefits...I think there's a little bit of a misnomer 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.000 out there. A lot of people come up to me and say they don't get 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:08.000 paid very well being a police officer. I will tell you, for what I do, I feel lucky 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:12.000 every day. This might not mean much to you but I 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:16.000 make 110 to 15 thousand dollars a year, which 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:20.000 is pretty good for me. I work very little overtime. 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:24.000 The education that I have and my specialty 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:28.000 training allows me the opportunity to make that much money. 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:32.000 About four years ago I went back and I started researching where I wanted 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:36.000 to get my masters degree, and I met Terry Gingrich who's over in the 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:40.000 corner, and I came back to my home of education and that was Western, 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.000 but there are many schools out there that are very good. Western just fit 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:48.000 my personality style. 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:52.000 There's a lot of different things in law enforcement to do. The state police has 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:56.000 a myriad of things. Sometimes people ask me why I never promote it. 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:60.000 It's because I'm not an office guy. I like being out every day, working 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.000 in the community doing specialty things and that's what I do 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.000 down in Southern Oregon being a bomb technician and working 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:12.000 patrol half-time. With that being said, 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:16.000 that's about six minutes and I'll pass it off to the next guy in line. 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.000 Thank you, Greg. 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.000 applause 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:28.000 We have a late arrival; he had a long way 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:32.000 to come. This is Matt Olafsson from the Monmouth 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.000 City Police Department. Took him a while to get here. 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:40.000 I'm on patrol right now. 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:44.000 Oh you are? He may be called away, too. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:48.000 Next is Phil Sauer from Oregon Department 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:52.000 of Corrections. Good morning. I'm Phil Soward from the Oregon Department 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:56.000 of Corrections. I'm a Corrections officer. I went to Western 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:60.000 Oregon also in 1988 and 1989. Doctor Gibbons 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:04.000 was my advisor, but I have something better than that. I actually 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:08.000 went to grade school on campus here, 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:12.000 right over there at the ITC building. It was a campus elementary. 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.000 I've been here my whole life. 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:20.000 I actually lived in town most of my life 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:24.000 and just recently my wife and I moved to the other side of Salem. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.000 But I've worked for the Department of Corrections since 1993. 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:36.000 I did a practicum 'pilot program' while I was here at the college. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:40.000 I contracted into that, and that program is still going on today. 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.000 From there, I was a 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:48.000 recreation specialist, where I taught them how to recreate 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:52.000 and pro-recreation, 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:56.000 pro-social skills. And then from there I went into security. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:60.000 Like this person here next to me, I've never 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:04.000 promoted up because I like doing things as well. I've also been on the special 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:08.000 teams; I was two years on the TERT team, ten years on the crisis negotiations 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:12.000 team, and also I covered many 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:16.000 different other skills. 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.000 I can say that this school really 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.000 is what calmed me down in life. Like I said, 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.000 I've lived here a long time and the atmosphere here is very 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:32.000 comfortable. If you're a little nervous about going to college 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:36.000 or going away or whatever, this is the school for you. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:40.000 Everyone here is like a family, and if you're going into corrections, 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:44.000 or into the criminal justice field, you're stepping right into 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:48.000 a family feeling. Everybody in there treats everyone like family. 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.000 Or a team. 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:56.000 I make, like, five dollars less than him, but 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:60.000 I make a good living and let me just 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:04.000 also say to you, if you're thinking about coming and starting 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:08.000 in a correctional or criminal justice profession, 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:12.000 starting college next year, it's working out perfectly for you. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:16.000 You cannot be in a better time. Within the next four or five years, 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.000 more than fifty percent of the DOC staff 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.000 employees are eligible for retirement. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.000 More than fifty percent. We have fourteen thousand, nine hundred 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:32.000 employees with the Department of Corrections right now. That's over 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:36.000 seven thousand individuals. So there will be seven thousand 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:40.000 plus job opportunities. 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:44.000 All I can say is that if you get a college degree, you are 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:48.000 two or three steps above people who do not have that, and you will advance 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.000 way faster and make a lot more money a lot faster 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.000 than the average joe coming in off the street. 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:60.000 Again, like him, I cannot express to you 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:04.000 how much writing you will need to take 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:08.000 in and learn. Just get yourself 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:12.000 better at it. Public speaking, if that's your 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:16.000 thing - It's not mine, but I do it - 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:20.000 writing. That's the skill you need. That will keep you out of trouble 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:24.000 and it will keep the people that need to be in trouble, in trouble. 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.000 I'm pretty much done. Like I said, 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:32.000 Doctor Gibbons - this is his last year, I guess. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:36.000 He's retiring. He's 'thinking about it. 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:40.000 He keeps thinking about it. That's all there is. 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:44.000 We'll see, maybe we'll see some of you on campus next year. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:48.000 Hope you come here. Go Wolves. They have a great football team. 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.000 applause 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.000 Thanks, Phil. 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:60.000 Hopefully you are already picking up that there are a lot 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:04.000 of different things you can do in criminal justice. 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:08.000 There are training opportunities and all kinds of specialty 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.000 assignments that you can get. 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:16.000 Like bomb tech, fish and wildlife, 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:20.000 SERT teams and corrections. There are a lot 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.000 of different things. Next I'll pass it over to 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.000 Wendy Hamilton who is going to talk about 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:32.000 the juvenile justice system. She's a juvenile probation officer 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:36.000 with the Polk County Juvenile Department. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:40.000 The juvenile justice system is a while other 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:44.000 system that provides another level 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:48.000 of jobs and job opportunities for people. 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:52.000 So I am Wendy Hamilton and I work for the Polk County 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.000 Juvenile Department. I am a juvenile probation officer. I graduated 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:60.000 from Western in 2000 with a Bachelors of Arts in 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:04.000 Corrections. I will say that I started my journey at Western as an elementary 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:08.000 education major, however, and changed once I took 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:12.000 one criminal justice class. That's all it took for me to come to the dark side. 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:16.000 I started out in 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.000 Linn County as a practicum student and was hired from my practicum to 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.000 do a temporary assignment working on an expungement. Expungement 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.000 is huge within the juvenile justice system because it basically means getting your 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:32.000 record shredded, for lack of a better word. From there I filled in as an 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:36.000 intervention specialist, which was working with middle 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:40.000 school aged youth in addition to a regular probation officer, 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:44.000 offering services. I've also worked as a 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:48.000 diversion coordinator in both the peer court system as well as in Polk County. 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:52.000 Our diversion program is called Sanction Court. And from there, I am now 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:56.000 a juvenile probation officer. Day to day is working with 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:60.000 youth and families and that's the different between juvenile and adult, is 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:04.000 that you do work with families. Parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:08.000 older siblings that are raising their younger siblings. 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:12.000 Day to day is meetings at schools with treatment providers. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:16.000 I work closely with law enforcement because that's where we get our business. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.000 The only way you get involved with my department is if you meet one of these 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.000 folks first. The other piece is that we 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.000 make decisions every day on youths' futures as to whether they will 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:32.000 be detained in a detention facility or if they're going to be released 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:36.000 back to the community to live with their parents. As far as 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:40.000 pay, it ranges from county to county. I make 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:44.000 roughly 60,000 dollars a year. That does include retirement 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:48.000 as well as insurance. 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.000 My biggest piece of advice for you all, especially if you're interested in the 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.000 juvenile justice route, is now is the time to gain experience working with 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:60.000 youth. I would say particularly at-risk youth. 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:04.000 But any experience you can gather now is beneficial. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:08.000 Whether or not you choose Western as your school, I think 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:12.000 college is probably the single most important decision you'll make in your life 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:16.000 for reasons that have been discussed up here. Not only financially being able 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.000 to support yourself, so that you're healthier, happier, and 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.000 just passionate about what you do in life. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.000 I think that's all. Did I miss anything? 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:32.000 applause 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:36.000 Thanks, Wendy. 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:40.000 sound cuts out momentarily 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:44.000 occupation, there's 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:48.000 adult probation and parole as well. It's a similar 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.000 job but, actually juvenile probation officers 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.000 do a lot more hands-on work, oftentimes, 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:60.000 including the courts, too. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:04.000 She presents cases in court. She basically serves as a lawyer, I think. 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:08.000 We do present cases in court regularly, 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:12.000 making recommendations to a judge on what we think should happen to 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:16.000 a particular juvenile. I also should have mentioned that there's a wide range 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.000 of professions within the juvenile justice system, starting out with 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.000 running a community service work crew program, working in the detention facilities 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.000 like a correctional officer, all the diversion programs that 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:32.000 are out there statewide, all the way up to probation officer. 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:36.000 There's many, many opportunities out there. To be a juvinile 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.000 probation officer, public speaking is part of it. I used to hate it; I've gotten over it. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.000 You kind of have to when you're in a courtroom before a judge 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:48.000 and with people behind you. So my other piece of advice is 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.000 to take some communication, speech type classes because you're going to need it. 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:56.000 And I'm going to emphasize writing. It's huge, because we do a lot of reports as well. 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:60.000 Thanks, Wendy. Okay, next 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:04.000 I'll just move down the line to Sabrina Hunter, who 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:08.000 is an officer with the Salem Police Department. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:12.000 I've been employed with Salem full-time since 2013. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:16.000 I was a part-time community service officer in 2011. 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:20.000 I went to Western from 2004 to 2007. I graduated with 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:24.000 a bachelor of science in law enforcement with a minor in political 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:28.000 science. When I first graduated high school in 2000, 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:32.000 I had zero interest in college. I thought it was garbage. 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.000 I was like 'I'm not going to waste four years of my life, this is stupid. I'm going to 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:40.000 start working and making money. After a few years of minimum wage jobs, 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:44.000 I realized that got me nowhere. 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:48.000 So I chose Western. They had really small class sizes. It was a really 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.000 beautiful campus. The teachers know you by name. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:56.000 I still talk to my professors ten years later. 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:60.000 It seemed like a good fit for me. 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:04.000 I struggled after college to get hired. 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:08.000 I put in a lot of effort volunteering. I did a practicum with state police. 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:12.000 I worked for Marion County Parole and Probation with sex offenders. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:16.000 I worked with a couple domestic violence shelters. 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:24.000 I put in a lot of work and I couldn't get hired. I had hundreds of applications, 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:28.000 over the course of seven years before I actually 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:32.000 got hired. What I'd recommend to you is don't get discouraged. 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:36.000 It's a super competitive field. When I was applying 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:40.000 ten years ago, policing was a lot different than it is now. 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:44.000 The day I showed up to test with Salem there was five hundred applicants 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:48.000 testing for five positions. 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:52.000 Now police are getting more of a bad image with the media and everything, 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.000 so it's hard to get good applicants. Our pay 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:60.000 is really good. I work graveyard. I'm just a 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:04.000 lowly beat cop, so I don't know if you guys like to watch 'Cops' at all, 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:08.000 but basically every day of my job is like an episode of 'Cops'. 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:12.000 I got punched in the face a couple nights ago. People spit on you. I've plugged peoples' 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:16.000 gunshot wounds. Held dying children. Pulled people out of burning houses. 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:20.000 I've done everything. It's a good time. 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:24.000 It's fun. You get paid to shoot, drive fast, fight 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:28.000 each other. It's cool. 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:32.000 Salem is the second-largest city agency in the state. 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:36.000 We're supposed to have about a hundred and ninety officers. We're down ten 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:40.000 to twelve right now just due to retirement, people moving, stuff like that. 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:44.000 I can't top the first panelist. 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:48.000 I made about 90,000 last year, which is pretty 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:52.000 good money. Since I work graveyard, all of my 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.000 court is overtime. It's kind of tough on 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:60.000 family life. If you guys don't have a good support system, you won't 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:04.000 make it. My husband is also a police officer. 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.000 I actually just got off work at six a.m. so I apologize; I'm a little delirious. 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:12.000 If I'm rambling. Our hiring process 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:16.000 is long and strenuous. It's called F-TEP, and 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:20.000 right when you guys are hired, you go through six weeks of 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:24.000 in-house training, so our officers would 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:28.000 teach you how to shoot. We'd go to the range. 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:32.000 You'd go through con-sims, which are like scenario-based 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:36.000 situations. There's defensive tactics, 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:40.000 there's EVOC, which is like how to drive like a crazy person. 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:44.000 You know, without getting in trouble. And then you do sixteen weeks at the police academy. 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.000 That's required for every police officer in the state, to go through that. 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.000 And then F-TEP for our agency is four phases. 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.000 It's about four to six weeks with a coach per phase. 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:60.000 It's super stressful, I'm not going to lie. I'm sure you've 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:04.000 got the same story. I lost twenty pounds, 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:08.000 I wasn't eating, it was stressful. But it's so worth it. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:12.000 You're graded on everything; your appearance, your officer safety, 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:16.000 your report-writing, how you talk to people, how you interact with other 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:20.000 members of the department. That portion, 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:24.000 after you're hired until you're in your own car, is about nine or ten months. 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:28.000 So it's a long ride but it's worth it. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:32.000 I'd recommend to you guys, if you can do any kind of volunteering that makes 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:36.000 you stand out from other people, for me, 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:40.000 I had past internships, I even 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:44.000 went on my own time and sat in court rooms so I could learn how the court process worked. 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:48.000 I'd sit in traffic court and circuit court just to have that edge on the next applicant. 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:52.000 I don't know if you guys have ever heard of the ORPAT. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.000 It's this terrible, awful physical fitness course which 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:60.000 is required by most agencies to get hired. 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:04.000 If you guys can go test that out, I would recommend doing that as well. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:08.000 And then ride-alongs. Those are key. 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:12.000 A lot of people think they want to be cops; they think it's cool to watch it on TV. 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:16.000 And then they'll actually get out and realize, 'oh my gosh, this isn't what I like. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:20.000 So I just encourage you guys. I rode with lots of city agencies, state, county... 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:24.000 big, small. Just get your name out there and make a lot of contacts. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:28.000 That's it. 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:32.000 applause 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:36.000 applause 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:40.000 I think I'll go with Matt. I'm going to skip 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:44.000 just to stick with the police so 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:48.000 we have the second-largest police department in the state represented 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.000 by Sabrina. Now we'll have Matt Olafson, who's been with 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:56.000 Monmouth PD, which is the third largest - oh, no, not quite. Just a little 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:60.000 guy. The small police department. Matt is a sergeant 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:04.000 with Monmouth Police Department. And the other thing is, you might notice 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:08.000 a trend that all the panelists are Western graduates. 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:12.000 You know, it's basically who I know. 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:16.000 I put the panel together and I called them up and they're willing to come. 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.000 I'm proud of all these former students. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:24.000 They're great professionals and they do a great job. 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:26.000 Go ahead, Matt. 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:28.000 My name is Matt Olafsson; I'm a patrol sergeant 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:32.000 here in Monmouth. Like I said, I'm on duty today, so 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:36.000 I could leave at any time. I'm going to tell you a little bit about how 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:40.000 I got started. When I came to college, 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:44.000 I was a jock. I came to school to be a football player, played football 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.000 here at Western. And then, about my sophomore year, 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:52.000 was when I started growing up a little bit, and I had a 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.000 professor tell me, 'hey, you can't just play football all your life, man. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:60.000 You've got to figure out something. And I wanted to be a football coach like every other jock 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:04.000 does. So I kind of started looking. 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:08.000 No offense to you guys, but I didn't want to deal with high schoolers all my life. 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:12.000 So my professor said, 'hey, go find some 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.000 jobs that interest you 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:20.000 and go observe them. I had a cousin at the time that was working in Newport 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:24.000 that went to school here, as well. And I jumped in a car with him 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:28.000 one night and, honestly, I look back at it now, and we didn't do much. 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:32.000 We ran code, which is lights and sirens, down highway 101 one time, 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:36.000 and went to a domestic another time, and 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:40.000 I think he roughed up some guy that had a warrant for a little bit, but 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.000 it wasn't much for what I see now, day to day. 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:48.000 But at the time, I was like 'man, that was 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:52.000 awesome!' I had the greatest time of my life. 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:56.000 A lot of the stuff that I learned on the football field, 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:60.000 it started transitioning to that job. I mean, that job that he was doing 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.000 at the time, was that patrol car, that little box, 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:08.000 that's his office every day. He goes around helping people 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:12.000 that need him. I found an interest in that. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:16.000 So I started taking some classes and I changed my degree. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:20.000 I wasn't totally settled on it yet, because that's part of growing up. That's what you get 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:24.000 four years of college for, I really believe, is to figure out how to grow up. 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:28.000 So I ended up majoring in community crime prevention. 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:32.000 I was worried that law enforcement might be just too specific. 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.000 I wanted something else to fall back on if I didn't make it or 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:40.000 if I didn't have the desire. While I was playing football 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.000 I was able to get into the reserve program with Monmouth. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:48.000 The reserve program is pretty cool. If you haven't heard about it, 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.000 look into it. Basically, you are hired on as a reserve 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:56.000 which is volunteer-based. You go in and you go through 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:60.000 immense training just like a full-time officer does. We do full background checks, 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.000 psych, all the same stuff that you'd do in a full-time process. 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:08.000 We do that for our reserves. They then go through training. Just like 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:12.000 the full-time police officers. Many of the instructors in our 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:16.000 MVRT training are full-time academy instructors. 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:20.000 So they get a lot of really good training. They do it twice a week 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:24.000 and then on the weekends in the evenings. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:28.000 It's over a period of time but I was able to get a lot of credits through the university 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:32.000 too, in practicum hours, and some other credits, so it worked 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:36.000 toward my degree. After that was done, I got to go in full uniform 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:40.000 as a volunteer and be a cop with a full-time officer. 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:44.000 I really got to know people, I got to learn how the job worked 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:48.000 and I graduated. I was done playing football in '04, 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.000 and I graduated in December in '04, and an opportunity 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:56.000 happened here. I thought I was on my way out, going to leave Monmouth 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:60.000 finally, and an opportunity opened up and I got hired by April. 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:04.000 And so I've been here since 2000. I'm now raising 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.000 my family here and it's awesome, awesome town. It's not like 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:12.000 I thought it was in college. It's a lot different and it's 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:16.000 been awesome.The one thing I tell everybody that comes in and talks 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:20.000 to me about wanting to become a police officer is: 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:24.000 I tell them, 'you've got to continue to learn. 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:28.000 Everything in this job changes every day. Whether it's 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:32.000 case law, whether it's updating laws, legislation comes out with something new, 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:36.000 we are always learning. And that basis started 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:40.000 when I was in college. Learning how to live on my own for the first time. 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.000 Learning how to manage my time 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:48.000 with school and football and social life. 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.000 I learned while I was in college. I have some friends 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:56.000 at a high school that went 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:60.000 right into the workforce. One of my best buddies, he 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:04.000 bought a house before me, but he's still working for the sanitation place 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:08.000 that he started his job at. I was able to 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:12.000 grow up, figure out what I wanted to do, learn how to be 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:16.000 a young man and set myself up for a career. 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:20.000 I'm making a lot more than him now, I'm 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:24.000 at about 85,000 a year, and 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:28.000 I love it. Every day is different. I don't have to sit behind a cubicle, 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:32.000 I'm a road guy. I go out and talk to 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:36.000 people in the community and meet people every day. I spend a lot 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.000 of times going to the schools and just having lunch with elementary kids. 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.000 Just because I want to change that image of kids at a young age, and I can do that. 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:48.000 Because my job allows me to. If I want to go home for lunch 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:52.000 I can go home and say hi to my kids. There are so many perks to this 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.000 job. But really they key is 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:60.000 figuring out where you want to go. What I loved about 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.000 Western is the same thing that they talked about up here is 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:08.000 the fact that the class sizes are small, and Doctor Gibbons 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:12.000 and Doctor Gingritch were part of helping me figure 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:16.000 out what I needed to do to get where I needed to be. 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:20.000 I could tell you a whole bunch of stories; I've done a whole bunch of stuff, but 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:24.000 I won't bore you with that. 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.000 Thanks, Matt. 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:32.000 applause 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:36.000 Okay, last is Kevin Jones, who's a 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:40.000 staff operations specialist with the FBI. 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.000 Hey, everybody. Can you all here me fine out there? 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.000 Alright. My name is Kevin Jones. I work for the FBI, based 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.000 out of Salem here. I graduated from Western Oregon in 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:60.000 tactical analysis. 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:04.000 As opposed, of course, to strategic analysis. But I basically 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:08.000 spend all my time and energy finding people, 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:12.000 places, and things. I get paid to do that all day. 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:16.000 I find myself to be pretty good at it. I sit at a desk all day. 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:20.000 Last week, I had a pretty crazy experience, much like 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:24.000 Sabrina, who had to rescue kids and 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:28.000 plug gunshot wounds. I couldn't log into my computer last week. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:32.000 I lost files, I didn't know where the were. I left them by the other 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:36.000 computer. It was pretty hectic. It was tragic. 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:40.000 I know. So, basically, like I said, 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:44.000 I just do a lot of analysis and research. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.000 I was talking to somebody a while ago and they said that I basically have the job of 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.000 that gal, that analyst off of 'Criminal Minds. 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.000 What was her name? Garcia. That's what it was. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:60.000 I can't work that fast, and I don't get my information 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.000 as quickly as she does. But, anyway, a little bit about me. 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.000 I went to high school at Benson over in North Portland. I grew up 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.000 in Southeast Portland. I had no idea what I wanted to do 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:16.000 after high school. I actually came to the preview day; this exact room, listening 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:20.000 to a similar panel. My mom came with me, 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:24.000 and I was like 'mom, no, you don't have to come, just drop me off. But she 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:28.000 was persistent so she came with me. So I sat here and I 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:32.000 learned as much as I could. Basically it came down to, this was 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:36.000 the best university that's out of Portland where I grew up, 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.000 and I wanted to kind of get out and experience something different. So I came here 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.000 with a thought that I wanted to be a biologist, until I took a biology 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.000 class and realized that I don't know anything about science. 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.000 I still don't. So then I shifted from biology to 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.000 education. But then I quickly realized that I didn't want to do that. I took some 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:60.000 psychology classes. I wanted to be a psychologist until I realized 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.000 I'm not fit for that either. So what happened was, I'm sitting in the dorms. 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.000 I stayed in Landers over here; I don't know if you guys will get a tour of that or not, 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.000 but I stayed in Landers and a dorm-mate of mine came in and was talking about 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:16.000 criminal justice. He was like, 'I just got out of my criminal justice class. 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.000 I'm like, 'really? What did you guys learn about?' And he said 'oh, it was 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.000 with Doctor Gibbons or it might have been with Murphy or Gingritch, but 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.000 we talked about murders today, drugs, and 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:32.000 all these different... and I'm like 'at school? You talked about that at school?' 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:36.000 He said, 'yeah. I said 'I want to sign up for a class. So I signed up for a class 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.000 and quickly realized, 'this is what I want to do. So I did my 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.000 three years going into my internship. I had Doctor 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:48.000 Murphy, standing in the back there. I had him as my advisor. 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.000 We were sitting down and I was trying to figure out where I wanted to do my internship. 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.000 He had experience with the marshal service, and he said 'why don't you consider federal?' 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:60.000 So I applied for the FBI. I thought it was really cool that 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.000 I was applying for the FBI. It was in the library here, people were walking by, 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:08.000 they were seeing that I was on the FBI's webpage. I thought I was pretty cool. 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.000 So I applied, and I didn't think anything was ever going to happen. I got an email back 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.000 from an FBI recruiter up in Portland, and then I also felt 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:20.000 really cool that people were walking by, and they might have read the FBI thing. 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:24.000 So long story short, to do an internship 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:28.000 with them you have to do a polygraph, you have to do a background check, they 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.000 sent an investigator here and talked to all of my professors, 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.000 my roommates, my dorm-mates, neighbors, all that kind of stuff. 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:40.000 And then I had to do a lot of stuff for that. A lot of paperwork. 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.000 Surprisingly. So I did that. 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:48.000 I worked up in Portland for ten weeks. Then I was on a 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:52.000 cyber crimes unit, and also did some work with the International Terrorism Division 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:56.000 there. At the end of that, they said 'do you want to continue your senior year 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:60.000 here at Western and still work for us as an intern?' 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.000 I said, 'yeah, absolutely, sounds great. So I did that. Two weeks before I 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:08.000 graduated, just like Sabrina, I was applying everywhere. 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:12.000 Any place. I was trying to get a job as a police officer. Similarly to her 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:16.000 experiences, I walked into one place and there was like two hundred fifty people. 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:20.000 Somebody raised their hand and said 'how many spots are you hoping to fill here?' 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.000 They were like, 'well, one. Maybe two. I was like, I'm never going to 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:28.000 become a police officer. So two weeks before my graduation 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:32.000 the FBI called and said 'hey, we're about to post two jobs. 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.000 We want to know if you would like to know about them first. I said 'well, yeah 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.000 absolutely. They told me what they were and I said 'well, here's the question. Do I get paid?' 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.000 They said 'yes, you do. I thought, well, yeah. 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:48.000 You're going to pay me to do the work I was doing, that sounds great! 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:52.000 So I put forth an application, did an interview, got hired, and the 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:56.000 day that I graduated here on the football field, that night I was up in Portland 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:60.000 and I was flying back to Quanitco, spent a week there, 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.000 came back and worked up in Portland in our confidential file room, handling all of our 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:08.000 confidential human sources and stuff like that. I did that for about 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:12.000 two or two and a half years. A job opened up here in Salem 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:16.000 to do tactical analysis. I said, 'yes, absolutely, that is right up my alley. 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:20.000 I never thought I would ever want to come back to Monmouth. 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.000 But when you leave it, you tend to really oddly want to 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:28.000 come back. It's strange. Just like Matt said. When I left, 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:32.000 I was like 'I'm never going to ever come back to Monmouth. 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.000 It's just too small of a town; I'm a big city guy. But then I went back to Portland and quickly 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:40.000 realized, if I'm going to get married and have a wife and kids and raise my family, 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:44.000 it's going to be in Monmouth. So I've been working at the Salem office 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:48.000 for going on three years now. I really enjoy it. 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:52.000 The requirements to get into the FBI 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:56.000 are very dependent on what you want to do. All of it has to do with polygraphs, 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:60.000 background, figuring out who you are. It's a lot of that kind of stuff. 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.000 All that information is pretty standard 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:08.000 and it's all online. Careers: there's special agents, there's analysts, there's 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.000 anything. If you like computers, there's that. 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.000 Anything that you guys can think of, there's probably a unit back at headquarters that does 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:20.000 it, or out in the field as well. As far as pay, when I started right out of college, 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.000 I was getting paid 33,000 dollars. 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.000 So that was in 2012. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:32.000 Now, last year I got promoted and I 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.000 am getting paid 65,000. In May I jump to 78,000. 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:40.000 And then it just progressively goes the longer I'm in the position. 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.000 Also, another benefit is if you want to 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:48.000 continue your education, they'll pay for that. If you don't have a degree and you get into the FBI 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:52.000 they'll pay for bachelor's degree, they'll pay for a master's degree. They paid for 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:56.000 my master's degree. I'm finishing up a master's degree at UofO right now. 40 grand. 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:60.000 I don't have to pay anything, I just have to pass the classes. 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.000 And then, also, your student loans. If you come to the FBI with student loans, 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:08.000 they'll pay that stuff off, too. You just have to put in an application. 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.000 Then they review your performance. If you're a good employee, they'll pay it off too. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:16.000 But all of this basically stemmed from when I came to Western; I did not know what I wanted to do. 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:20.000 There are a lot of good advisors here; a lot of good teachers. Everybody wants you 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:24.000 to succeed. I can directly attribute my 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.000 trajectory into the FBI and the criminal justice field 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:32.000 to all of the faculty 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.000 here. I never thought in a million years that I'd actually be doing this but 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:40.000 when I didn't really have the know-how or the 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.000 option or the knowledge to even go about something like that, even 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:48.000 applying, I sat in Doctor Murphy's room and he said 'why don't you consider this? 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:52.000 Consider the FBI. I was like 'really, you think so?' He was like 'why not?' 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:56.000 So I know exactly where you guys are at. All of us do. 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:60.000 We were all here at one point. There are a lot of unknowns, but 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.000 education is so important, regardless of what you want to do in life. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:08.000 It will help you every single day. 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.000 You'll never be able to bring it down to one class, but with the education you get here, 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:16.000 especially, I wouldn't trade it for anything. It's been the most valuable 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.000 thing I've ever had. That's it for me, thank you. 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.000 applause 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.000 applause 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:32.000 That's great, and we have plenty of 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:36.000 time for questions, so hopefully we have some questions out 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:40.000 there. Is there a microphone for people? Okay, 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:44.000 Dave's going to come and get it. Anybody have 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:48.000 a question for any of the panelists, or generally? 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:52.000 Right in front, that's great. Right there, Dave. 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.000 Sorry, I saw one back there. 00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:60.000 Is it true that you guys have to get tased to become a 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.000 police officer? -We have to be shot, too. 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:08.000 With our agency, it's optional. If you want 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:12.000 to you can. -Did you? -No, we have 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:16.000 to get OC'd, which is just some pepper spray that burns for, I don't know, 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.000 like, a week. But otherwise the tasing is optional. 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.000 It's optional for us, too, but I highly recommend 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:28.000 it to our guys and I'll tell you the reason behind it. 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:32.000 In a lot of police force situations, you have to testify to that. If somebody were to get 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:36.000 my taser from me, I know what that effect is on me. 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.000 It's going to incapacitate me to a level that I can't control my body or 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.000 anything else. I also know what that does to somebody else. So if I deploy it 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:48.000 on somebody else, I know what they're going to go through, so I suggest that 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:52.000 you do it to people. It's five seconds, and we call it 'The Ride,' 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:56.000 and it's quite a ride. 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:60.000 You take a nap afterwards. But it's optional. 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:08.000 How about you, Greg? Did you have to be tased? -With the state police it's not 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:12.000 required that we get tased, but I have been tased for some of the same reasons. 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.000 It's something that everyone should do. 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:24.000 Okay, another question. 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:28.000 So a technical analyst, what classes do you recommend 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:32.000 for students that want to go into that? -That's actually a really good question. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.000 Not surprisingly, I write all day, every day. 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:40.000 If I find something; I'm doing a write-up on someone and 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:44.000 whatever I find out I have to put that into a document 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:48.000 that gets serialized to the file. Just take as many writing classes as you can. 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:52.000 That's what I did when I was here; I took a lot of writing classes. 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:56.000 Research writing, research methods, stuff like that. 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:60.000 Basically, if I could summarize it I would just say writing. 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.000 Because it doesn't really matter what you're writing; if you can 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:08.000 spell right, if you can put a period...all these different things 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.000 that seem pretty common sense now, but there are a lot of people 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:16.000 that really struggle with it. If you can go through college and 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:20.000 if you make sure you're a good writer, because, surprise, when you come to Western, 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.000 you're going to have to write. You'll eventually find yourself getting better at it. 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:32.000 That's my two cents. Computer science stuff, too. If you can learn how 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:36.000 to use computers, if you don't know already, 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:40.000 computer science is a good option if you want to 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:44.000 go into intelligence 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:48.000 writing is especially good, political science. The good thing 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:52.000 about the FBI is that you don't have to have a criminal justice degree to get in the door. 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:56.000 We don't hire just people with criminal justice degrees. We've hired 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:60.000 bus drivers from Boston and we've hired gym teachers from Alabama. 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.000 That's not a joke. We really have. If you have the background 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:08.000 to support why you're coming; if you have a unique set of skills to bring 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.000 to the table, then if you're going to be an asset to the team, you're hired. 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:16.000 Hopefully that answered your question. 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:20.000 Forgive me if you already answered this, 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:24.000 I came in a bit late, but what degree 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:28.000 would you say that would be beneficial to join 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.000 whether it's the FBI, state police, or just a 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.000 county division of police? 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:40.000 I'll answer that real quick. 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:44.000 I know for me, any degree that you find that is fascinating that motivates you 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:48.000 to go to class every day and be the best student and person you can be, 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:52.000 go towards that. We don't require any specific degree, but pick one 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:56.000 that motivates you because that's what's going to make your four years here at Western 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:60.000 more fulfilling: actually enjoying learning. So don't 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.000 go to classes just because you think you have to. Pick something that motivates you 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:08.000 and fascinates you so that you can learn. 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:16.000 I wouldn't say there's any specific one...we have officers 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:20.000 that have art degrees, and music, and Spanish. 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.000 It really doesn't matter. We're just looking for that extra education. That just shows 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:28.000 us that you're motivated, you're dedicated, you can see something through. 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:32.000 I went for forensic chemistry as well for 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:36.000 a little brief period of time before I realized it kicked my but. It was super hard. 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:40.000 But, yeah, there's nothing really specific. If you're passionate about 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.000 criminal justice, then you'll have a blast here at Western. 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:48.000 I think the important thing, 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:52.000 like what they said, do something that you're passionate about and 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:56.000 that you want to go to class, that you're interested in. 00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:60.000 That also translates to better grades. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.000 That makes a difference: having a GPA 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:08.000 that is well over 3.0. 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:12.000 It's not that you can't get a job with a GPA 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.000 under 3, but it does make a difference when they're looking 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:20.000 at your file. They will look at your 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.000 transcripts, unlike some professions. 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:28.000 In criminal justice, especially in law enforcement, they 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:32.000 will look at your transcripts and see what classes you took and what grades 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:36.000 you got, and it can make a difference. It's something that sets you apart. 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:40.000 Like they're saying, you always want to look for something that will set you apart 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:44.000 from other people, and everybody up here has said that in one way 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:48.000 or another. 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:52.000 Hi, approximately how many volunteer hours do you have to 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:56.000 do, or where would you recommend 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:60.000 the kids go to get that experience? 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:04.000 To get your 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:08.000 college degree, you do have to do a practicum, and that's a four hundred 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:12.000 hour work experience, and that's to get your degree. 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:16.000 As I said before, any experience that you can get 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:20.000 is vital. I have a similar situation like these folks. 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:24.000 I worked seven days a week for four years 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:28.000 so that I could keep my foot in the criminal justice door. 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.000 So that was having a part-time job within juvenile justice and a full-time job to pay the bills. 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:36.000 But don't give up. Continue to apply. Volunteer wherever 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:40.000 and whenever you can. Particularly with juvenile justice, 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.000 even working at the boy's and girl's club, at the YMCA, 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:48.000 anything like that. Just the experience showing that you can work with youth 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:52.000 is vital to entering our system. 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:56.000 So, as Wendy said, if you major in Criminal Justice 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:60.000 at Western, we require our students to create a four hundred 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.000 hour practicum for twelve credits, or internship for twelve credits, 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:08.000 usually during your senior year. We place you 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.000 with an agency in the field, as close as we can get 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:16.000 to something that you're interested in, and a faculty member 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.000 supervises you, and then there's a professional in the field that supervises you, too. 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.000 And then, 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:28.000 do as much else as you can. Get experience, as everybody 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:32.000 has suggested, in other ways. 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.000 With Oregon State Police, do you get 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:40.000 a certain job when you're hired, or after your training 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:44.000 can you request a job, like being a game warden 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:48.000 or highway patrol? -Yeah, we have actually a lateral 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:52.000 program now, but the two jobs that you'll get right off the bat is that we'll have 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:56.000 people hired right into fish and game, and then we have people hired right into patrol. 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:60.000 It's changing so quickly now, we have detectives that are 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:04.000 lateral over from other agencies that will fill that detective job. 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.000 But right out of college you will either be put in patrol or in fish and game, and 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:12.000 then whatever path you want to take will progress from there. 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:20.000 First, thank you, everybody for serving all of us. 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:28.000 When you go into the police force, if you want to be a mounted 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:32.000 policeman or S.W.A.T, how would you go 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.000 about going into those different roles? Do you have to do, like in the military, 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:40.000 where you do a general service and then you go into a specified role? 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.000 How does that work? 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:48.000 Well, generally speaking, it depends on where you 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:52.000 go. I can speak for my agency; we're a small agency. 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:56.000 I was fortunate enough, after two years of being on patrol, 00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:60.000 to start getting into specialized units like 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.000 a special response team, which is like a S.W.AT team, and I did that 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:08.000 for several years. Within five years, I was in a detective role. 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:12.000 But you have to start at the bottom and kind of work 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:16.000 your way up and show that you can do that job. 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.000 And apply for it. I know other agencies have 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.000 time caps until you can apply. 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.000 And you can time into that position as well. 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:36.000 I know that being bi-lingual is 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.000 a perk if you are going into a law enforcement, but is a required thing to know 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:44.000 a second language? 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:48.000 I can speak to that. It's not required with our agency. It's an 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:52.000 extra five percent pay incentive. In Salem, 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:56.000 a huge portion of our community is Spanish-speaking. 00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:60.000 Especially where I work in North Salem. 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.000 Half my night, I encounter Spanish-speaking citizens. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.000 We usually have a Spanish-speaking officer on that will be 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.000 happy to translate. If we can't go through a Spanish-speaking 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:16.000 officer we'll use our dispatchers; we'll have a 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:24.000 makes you stand out. Not just Spanish, but Sign Language or Russian. 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:28.000 Or any other language of that sort. 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.000 I've heard all the importance of the academics. 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:40.000 Could you speak to the hiring process? You've mentioned 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:44.000 sort of the psych eval, the background checks, the importance of 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:48.000 making good moral choices now so that when they go to apply for these jobs, 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:52.000 there are not disqualifying things in their background? 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:56.000 I can say, when it comes to 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:60.000 background checks, it's really thorough. They do it a lot differently 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.000 than when I hired on. They ask things 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:08.000 such as your last ten addresses, and all your neighbors 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.000 and stuff like that. I don't even know them. 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:16.000 But I can tell you, as long as you are truthful, 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:20.000 and you fill out everything in a very truthful manner... 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.000 so if something should come back, it's not something that you tried to conceal. 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.000 It was some dumb mistake... 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:32.000 you and your buddy snuck into a drive-in. Well, that's 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:36.000 something that skipped your mind, but when it comes back for a background check, 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:40.000 it's going to say 'hey, what about that?' Defrauding 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:44.000 an innkeeper or something. They're going to ask about that. 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:52.000 They have someone else who did not deceive. So just be very truthful, 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:56.000 be very up-front with it. There's nothing 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:60.000 wrong with stating the facts, and then let them justify it. 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.000 I'm going to add something to that. 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:08.000 In addition to the whole 'being truthful' thing, social media is huge 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:12.000 right now with our background investigators. Luckily I didn't 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:16.000 have any social media accounts when I went through backgrounds. 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:20.000 But they'll go on your Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, and they'll get your passwords. 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:24.000 And they will dig. Background investigators are looking for any kind of dirt on you. 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:28.000 If you have it, they will find it. They talked to my next-door neighbors 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:32.000 when I was a kid, my ex-husband, everybody that 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:36.000 I've ever hated in life. They'll find them and ask why. 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:40.000 So just throw it out there, be honest. Everybody has skeletons 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.000 in their closet. It's not a big deal. There are a lot of things you 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:48.000 can do, like you smoked weed last year. Just own it, 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.000 be responsible for it. If you hide it, they will find it, so just be 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:56.000 cognizant of that. 00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:60.000 Okay, so, for Sabrina, 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.000 you know how you said that 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.000 you did your volunteering hours before you got your job, 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:16.000 did you do that on your own or did you have certain 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:20.000 support from the county, and looking into certain 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.000 different opportunities. -When I was a student here, I actually 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.000 worked for Abby's House. 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:32.000 It was a domestic violence resource 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:36.000 center downstairs here, actually. 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.000 I did that on my own, I volunteered for state police longer than 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:44.000 my practicum. I did everything on my own. 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:48.000 I even worked. I thought outside of the box when it came to volunteering. 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:52.000 I thought, 'okay, I don't want just criminal justice experience. I would 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:56.000 volunteer at my daughter's school. I would volunteer for 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:60.000 Salem Harvest where we go out and pick fruits and veggies for homeless people. 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.000 It just showed that I had love for my community and I was super 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:08.000 passionate about helping people. But I'm sure 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:12.000 Doctor Gibbons and Doctor Gingritch would definitely set you up 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:16.000 if you were curious of places to look or you could even talk 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:20.000 to me afterwards; I can set you up with some stuff or give you some ideas. 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:28.000 Anyone else? Here we go. 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.000 My mom has talked to a detective who's gone to Western Oregon, 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.000 and he said that if you're interested in being a police officer 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:44.000 then it's recommended to volunteer for 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:48.000 campus security and it would make you stand out. So I was wondering about that. 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:52.000 I'll touch on that. 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:56.000 I think any volunteering, getting your foot in the door somewhere, is very 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:60.000 important. We work very closely with campus public safety here. 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:04.000 I know some police officers, actually a friend of mine, that, 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:08.000 when I got hired, was working for Monmouth and had worked for public safety first, 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:12.000 and now she's working for the department of justice as a criminal investigator there. 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:16.000 So getting your foot in any door is 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:20.000 good, because it can be a transition into where you want to be eventually. 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:24.000 And we have 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:28.000 had several students over the years who have worked for campus public safety, 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:32.000 and they're usually parking enforcement, so they drive around and give 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:36.000 other students tickets for parking illegally or whatever, but 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.000 it's a good start and 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:44.000 as Sergeant Olafson just said, our 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:48.000 campus public safety works very closely with Monmouth Police Department. 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:52.000 One more thing, too, I'd like to add a little bit more. 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:56.000 When I was here, I volunteered when I was living in 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:60.000 Landers. I volunteered for the Judicial Board. 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:04.000 It was a committee of peers and faculty that, 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:08.000 if you live in the dorms and you broke the rules, instead of 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:12.000 being sent to one person you would come in front of a committee, myself and the others, 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:16.000 and you'd kind of plead your case and we'd learn about what happened, 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:20.000 and you'd step out of the room and we'd try to determine what steps would 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:24.000 be appropriate. I did that for two years, and then a step above that, 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.000 is the Student Conduct Committee. And instead of just the dorms, 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:32.000 if you do anything on campus outside of the dorms, if you 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:36.000 are in a fight in class or something like that, again, instead of going to one 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.000 person, you'd come step forward in front of the committee, 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:44.000 and that was a really good experience for me, and anyone can do it. 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:48.000 You just need to volunteer, put in a little application, and 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:52.000 they'll interview you, and if you're a good fit, you'll be on the board. It's really good 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:56.000 because it kind of showed me how to talk to people, how to ask 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:60.000 questions, how to interpret things, and how to work with others so you 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.000 can find out if they have a different opinion on what should happen. So that was a huge 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:08.000 asset to me, especially when I applied afterwards. 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:16.000 What are some of the major general disqualifiers? I know it's different 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:20.000 for each department, but what are some of the major rules? 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:28.000 What are some major disqualifiers, things that you can do that would absolutely 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:32.000 exclude you from any o these jobs? 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:40.000 ones are arrests are going to be disqualifiers. If the background 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.000 investigator finds you being deceptive, or lying in your background, 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:48.000 or even omitting things on your application and they find out, 00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:52.000 that's considered a lie. There are a lot of different things that 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:56.000 you can do, and I like to always tell people your application process really starts 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:60.000 now. You're competing against hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people for one 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:04.000 or two jobs, so if there's any reason they can get rid of you, they will, because 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:08.000 there's always somebody more qualified, so just think about that as you're doing things. 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:12.000 That list is infinite on what you can be disqualified for. 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:16.000 To add to that, your GPA. It also falls under that, and 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:20.000 if there are two positions and four candidates, they're going to look at the person 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:24.000 that has the better grades. So keep that in mind. 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:28.000 If you want to be in the FBI, 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:32.000 would joining a pathways program help you? 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:36.000 I did not hear it, I'm sorry. If you want to be in the FBI, what? 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:40.000 Would joining a pathways program in college be a good idea? 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:44.000 Yeah, I think, just a continuing trend with everybody on the board, 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:48.000 the more that you're out there, the more stuff that you can get 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:52.000 experience with would only benefit you. Because, what happens 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:56.000 is a lot of people put forth an application right out of college, and it'll be pretty 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:60.000 bare, because you've been in college for four years. But if 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.000 there's an application that has not much on it, but you have 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:08.000 other things like pathways, or any other organization or community that you've volunteered for, 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:12.000 that you've worked with and you have experience with, the more experience that you can bring to the table 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:16.000 that you can offer that agency, regardless of what that agency is, it would only 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:20.000 be better. 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:24.000 Here's one last question. 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:28.000 Do you guys work with criminologists? 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:32.000 If so, what do they help you guys in? 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:36.000 Criminologists. 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:40.000 What do they help with? 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:44.000 With, say, officers in your specific fields. 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:48.000 I guess I could touch on that a little bit. 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:52.000 Anybody who can provide statistics to the FBI, 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:56.000 to Salem PD, to any police department, 00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:60.000 it'll show that maybe there's a crime hotspot over here, 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:04.000 where there has been ten break-ins in the last 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:08.000 two weeks. Maybe we should provide more focus on this 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:12.000 area. To the FBI, same thing, but it's on a national level. 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:16.000 A place like Chicago, maybe we should increase police presence in these 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.000 neighborhoods because these neighborhoods are more prone to violence 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:24.000 and police shootings and things like that. It basically allows the departments, 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:28.000 and the police agencies, the FBI, and anybody 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.000 to know where to put their assets so they'll try to negate 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:36.000 the threat a little bit. I don't know if that really answered your question or not. 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:40.000 Anything that we do, 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.000 at least for the FBI, is really driven by statistics and where we should 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:48.000 focus our efforts. A lot of that comes from data. -Let's give the panelists a round of 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:52.000 applause. 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:53.000 Thank you all for coming.