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music

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so I'm a community mental

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health counselor in Yamhill County

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I work with like -- vulnerable

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adults so I do mental health

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that's what I do so what she

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asked me to talk to you about was the

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comprehensive examination in

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rehabilitation counseling my

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experience so thank you for

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joining me on my journey okay

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so that's my agenda so I'm

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pretty much a person centered

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facilitator so I'm gonna kind of

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let you guys choose which one

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you want to go with of those

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two -- I can talk to you about

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the exam preparation first

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or I can talk to you about my

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experience with it -- either

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or you guys decide and then at

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the end I'll just answer any

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questions you have about it so

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poll the audience who wants to

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talk about the experience first

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okay who wants to talk about

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the exam preparation okay so

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we'll do exam preparation first

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now here's the interesting

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thing I knew you were going

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to say that those are pretty

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basic tenets so I'm gonna talk

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to you a little bit about this

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exam preparation I didn't know

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that Dr. Lin was going to

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show you the rubric and also

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the letter have you guys seen that

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before you familiar with that

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okay so are you familiar with

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using a rubric in other classes

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do you guys go by that okay

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it's just as simple -- the

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way you set up your slides

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I would suggest or encourage

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would be a better word I would

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encourage you to do it just

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kind of like Joelle did hit

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the key points on the rubric

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practice so once you have a

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skeleton outline of how you're

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gonna present -- this is what

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you can do as an example you

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know there's twelve areas the

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cover so you know -- you're

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gonna have at least three

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other slides besides those

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twelve areas which are your

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introduction right your agenda

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for example and then you'll have

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references but I really don't

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unless you -- plan ahead

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of time I really don't see you

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having a bunch of references

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other than what you got with

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you -- so you're looking at

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about fifteen slides of material

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which means that you probably

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have about three minutes for

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each slide so if you look at

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that picture how you can

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fit three minutes of time in

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each slide right now nobody is

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an expert because I'm sure that

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there are many people who you know

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are on the ball when it comes

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to diagnosing and they want

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to talk diagnosis for twenty

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minutes -- I can do that

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people who really understand

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functional limitations you

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can talk forever on that

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which is great the best way

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I can explain it is it's a

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celebration of your academic

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achievement so just tell them

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what you know and hit all the

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high points and move on if

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there is questions they'll ask

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them at the end and then you

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cover them okay -- now with

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the practice part that I was

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talking about is once you have

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that all set up I don't know

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how they're going to do that

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but in my experience -- it

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was done during supervision we'd

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take turns presenting right and

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then we would get the feedback

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from not only the -- supervisor

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whoever it was doing the --

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supervision -- here at the

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university so mine was Dr. Ni

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at the time and we'd also get

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members that were part of the

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supervision right so not only

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are you getting to see how other people

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are presenting stuff but you're

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also getting that feedback so

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once you practice there's got

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to be like a level of humility

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with you right so you've got to

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balance like confidence with

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humility so be confident of

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course but also kinda listen

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to the advice they give you

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because it can make all the

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difference in the world you

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know -- maybe you talk too

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much or maybe you seem to know

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too much about an area and it's

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really not that important at

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the end of the day so you can

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use that method -- then after

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you've done all that practice

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some more it's -- it's okay to

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you know take your friend out and

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say hey we're gonna practice this real

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quick I know that sounds crazy

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but it's okay to do -- I know

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our -- the cohort I was in

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we didn't have a lot of time

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outside of the supervision

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or classroom because you're

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in your internships right but

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sometimes at those internship

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sites you'll have people who

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either went to Western or

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that understand this process

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I'm talking about of an oral

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comprehensive how to build a

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case -- some people call it

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case conceptualization right

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and they can use that process

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to help you but you gotta ask

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for the help so practice more

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the last part that practice

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like you're doing the actual

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examination so if anybody

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has anxiety type challenges

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right where you want to control

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everything in the environment

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which is okay some people are

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like that you can practice

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like you're doing the actual

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examination this is a

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totally forgotten point that

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nobody remembers -- about three

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or four months before you do it

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you actually know where you're

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going to do it you know you'll

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have the room the library I had

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right so what I did is when I

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figured out the date and the

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time I was going to do the exam

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I started practicing I came

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in here an hour prior I gave

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myself my own case study and I

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went into that room if it was

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available and I studied like I

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was giving it so when the day

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actually came that I had to do

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it it was nothing new I'd already

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formed the habit of doing

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it so there was no nervousness

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no nothing I'd been doing

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that over the past five or six

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weeks so all that other stuff

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that we usually experience

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with the new environment or not

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sure about something you've already

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controlled that factor know it's

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just up to you I already went

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over get the multiple --

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sources of feedback one

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thing that I know a lot of

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people miss is the faculty I

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kinda get it some of the factory

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is probably not the people you

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want to talk to you right I

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get it because you see them all

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the time and whatever but they

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might be a source of great

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feedback for you that you just

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don't realize a simple question

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but you're afraid to ask

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because maybe they went over

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it before and maybe you don't

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want them to think that you weren't

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paying -- attention whatever

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the case may be understand

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that that's what they're here

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for okay fellow students I'm

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talking outside of the cohort

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so there are people that

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are in the education program

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understanding how you present

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something is a lot different in

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the education field than it is

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in other fields and secondly if

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you know people who understand

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graphic design and how to set

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up slides totally beneficial

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because then your information

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flows and they can give you a

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way to not make it so choppy

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okay and then experts in the

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field when you guys go out

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to your internship site it

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can be an awkward environment

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depending on where you go so

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some of them might not have

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gone to Western Oregon so you

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need to be able to openly ask

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them questions and understand

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that you're doing that because

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you want to do well on this

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oral comprehensive exam but

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you're also wanting to understand

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the feel more so a lot of

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times I see -- interns -- at

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my job that won't ask questions

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it's because they I don't know

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they feel overwhelmed I can't

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tell you why they don't ask

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questions but then something

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happens or you know something

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goes wrong and we're always

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like why didn't you just ask the

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question we could've told you

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this two weeks ago so I don't

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know what that factor is if

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its embarrassment if it's you

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know afraid because maybe it's

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something basic you should have

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known I don't know but don't be

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afraid to ask those questions

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just have some humility it's

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okay I've had to learn

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how to have humility myself

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so all right so that's about

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it for exam prep so now you

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get to walk with me through

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my experience you all have I

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hope a basic idea of what the

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oral examination will be like

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so she Dr. Lin kind of showed

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you the paperwork the process

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etcetera I want to talk to you

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a little bit about the experience

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but I also want you to understand that

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everybody's experience is going

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to be different and sometimes

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you just have to live that

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experience to have it so --

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when I'm saying that one thing

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to remember is when you go

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through this I don't know if

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you guys have -- no you -- when you

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when you start your internship

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you'll be like writing down

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your experiences weekly for

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your internship so this is

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something that I included in

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that experiential journal is

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my experience in preparing for

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the exam so that that way it's a

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document that I can look back

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on and see where I was at and

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my thinking process about that

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so I -- how I wrote that was you can

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call it meta-thinking whatever but

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it's thinking about your thinking

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you stop for a second and you

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say okay why am I thinking that

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or why am I feeling this certain

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way like why am I so stressed

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out about this then you can

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start breaking down well it's

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because you know my oral exam

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is tomorrow and I haven't done

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any preparation okay right but

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if you start thinking about

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it then you can start breaking

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it down into an area where you

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can figure out what you need

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to do all right so the second

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part about that is living in

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the here and now and what I mean

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by that is you're going to hear

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a lot of people's experiences

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okay I'll be honest with you I

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think like maybe two or three of

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my cohort members attempted

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to share their experience with

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me and I cut them off I mean

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I know that sounds rude but

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I didn't want to hear it okay the

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second part of that is you

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have to be in the moment you're

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doing it don't go in there

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saying well what's going to

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happen if you can't have that

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attitude your attitude should

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be well this is what I'm doing

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right now let me focus on this

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and I'll worry about that

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stuff later I encourage that

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because then you don't have

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that additional stress worrying

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about well what if you know

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so and so I think Dr. Lin

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mentioned it like some people

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don't get additional

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write-ups some people might have ten

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page write-ups I don't know

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because I never asked them like

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when they started talking I was

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like oh great what are we talking

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about I don't wanna hear about

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it right so whatever it is

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understand that if -- even if

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you get a write-up it's okay

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because maybe you didn't have

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time to go over that in your

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presentation so you do the

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write-up forty-eight hours and

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most of it's gonna be stuff you know

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already okay when we started I

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think we were the first cohort

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that actually did the oral

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comp so nobody really knew

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what was going on nobody I mean

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that -- that shouldn't amaze

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anybody right that's the way

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it is right -- and that's not a

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bad thing so -- I will tell you

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my experience in grad school

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and the way I think about it

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is you were there to learn what

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you want to learn but sometimes

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we rely on people to tell us

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what to learn so you got to

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kind of switch that thinking to

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learn what you want to learn because

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something out of it they can force

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whatever they want but it's not

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gonna stick unless you want it

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to stick so in saying that

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that's prefacing that -- when

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you decide what it is that

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you're going to do for

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your oral comprehensive exam

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you have to stick with that for

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the most part to that plan and

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so with my experience --

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once I had basically decided on

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a format for that that's

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the format I used -- so I

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think I might have reviewed it

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I can tell you -- five times

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so after I had the outline I

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went over it with my cohort

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members five times and by the

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fifth time I had a script so

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it was a lot easier because

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we were video conferencing I had

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a script and I would just go

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by the script while I'm pushing the

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slides right well the problem

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is that when you come to do the

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actual exam you don't have time

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to print out a script okay so

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there's that and then the other

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problem is depending on how

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your computer usage is you're

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trying to present a PowerPoint

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right and maybe some people use

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the notes slide on the PowerPoint

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it's kind of hard to look

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at that unless you're on a different

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computer right while you're

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going through the PowerPoint

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and then maybe you change it

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on your PowerPoint while you're

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leaving the screen open so that

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was my experience it's a lot to

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fumble with so my suggestion

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my encouragement would be to

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have a kind of blank script

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that you go over and by that

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I mean you can just input

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x in most in some of the

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areas right like you're already

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gonna know your counseling

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theory you're gonna know your

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counseling style you're gonna know your

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career counseling your group

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you're gonna know all that

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stuff right now for stuff like

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the -- limitations and the

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barriers you're gonna have a

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generalized idea so you can

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have that generalized idea and

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just mark it off as it applies

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to however your case study goes

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right so has everybody seen like

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I think Oregon VR

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uses those brown pieces

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of paper that has all the

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functional limitations on it

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you've it so there's well you're

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a good resource -- for your

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cohort because you can actually

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use that and bring it with you

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right and then highlight or however

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you want to do it or x it the ones

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that apply to your case study

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and there's no secret sauce

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to that actually underneath it

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it lists what those functional

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limitations mean so there

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easy fix right the second

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thing in my experience is a

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lot of people are computer

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savvy which is great but what

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I learned is there's

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two important classes for this

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that we kind of brush off

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the -- I think they call it the

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medical and functional aspects of

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disability is that what it's

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called right do they still use

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the big Holland book it's about

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that thick okay and then the

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other one is the diagnostic

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and assessment class with the

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DSM-5 now did you guys get case

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studies with that no okay so

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the DSM-5 I don't know if

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any of your -- instructors have

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that book but it's DSM-5 Case Studies

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and that's a good way to practice for

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this is there's actual case

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studies with that and you can

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do the case studies with the

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DSM-5 give your diagnosis

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give your barriers from

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from the -- psychiatrical

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aspect okay but from like

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more of a rehabilitation and

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psychiatric aspect that medical

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book medical disabilities book

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it tells you everything you need

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to know I mean there's no secret

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in that book so -- you know

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if you have a case that you're

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conceptualizing in your mind

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you can go straight to that book

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and say oh this is somebody with

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you know this -- whatever it

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might be and that book will

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tell you all the vocational

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implications it will tell you

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how to create a plan for that

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person I mean I don't know why

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other people didn't use it but

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I brought that book with me --

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and also become familiar with

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how to use indexes of course

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I think everybody knows how

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to use indexes and glossaries

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right because there might be

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words in there that you have

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never studied before and I can't

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think of any off my head but

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there are some -- medical terms

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that were -- that can be used

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that you'll have no idea what they're

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talking about because you're

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just not familiar with it and

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you can go right to the glossary

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and say oh oh there's

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that term and go right to

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the book and say oh this it

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defines that term now I know

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what it is that's helpful too

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so with all that being said

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my experience on the day was

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first like I'd already mentioned

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I was familiar I knew where I was

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going I -- I was there an

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hour early I had everything

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ready I had all my books ready

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lined up a little bit different

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from what you guys are doing I

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actually went to -- I don't

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know what the administrative

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assistant Kathy and picked

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up the thing when I had one

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hour I think beforehand and

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I started on it and then --

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that's when all the three

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panel member I had started

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you know coming and I kind of

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ignored them because I told them

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what time it starts so I'm

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busy doing this case thing and

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then when it was time to start

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I called them all in they sat

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down and I started right in

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okay -- so everybody's got a

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different style my style is I

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just kept going until I was

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stopped other people will have

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a different style well they'll

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say something and end it with

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like a question and then you

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know somebody will bring up

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a question that way so that's

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what works for me I don't know

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what works for you but it works

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for me to just keep going until

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somebody says stop all right

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so that's my way other people

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will say oh this is what I have for

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this and then they'll pause go to the next

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slide and give them time to ask

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a question right so -- when I

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was done I was done there was

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not really any anything to say

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I mean they said okay thanks

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whatever called me back in we

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talked for maybe -- twenty

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minutes and that was it and

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I have not -- heard anything

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else about it until Dr. Lin

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said hey we want you to

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come in and talk about it so

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all the stress that might have

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been present about that where

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did it go because it wasn't

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there when I was done right

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so it's not that stressful

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now I talk too much so -- let's

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get questions about the oral

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comprehensive part of that oral

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comprehensive exam is you got

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to go over your career theory

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so maybe your career theory

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involves an assessment so how

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do you explain that assessment

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when you can't really go

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through that assessment okay

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is that correct is that what

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you're asking okay so how I

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will explain that is from my

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experience is that my -- career

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theory was social construction

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theory beforehand I already

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had printouts I'm glad

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you brought that up I already had

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printouts of my theory and I

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already had the assessment

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I would use with that person

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ready for them sitting by their

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table so when I came to that

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point I said and if you look in

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your handouts this is the main

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tenets of social construction

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theory and with this I would use

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the -- CSI I can't remember

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what that stands for the Career

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Structured Interview and that

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will be followed up later in my

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plan of action done because

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that's part of your plan of

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action okay so Aubrey's question

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books and your own print offs so

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Dr. Lin is shaking her head

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yes so what I will tell you is

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you haven't heard the rumors

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about me I'm a big book person

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so yes I brought an entire cart

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of books and yes you can bring

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them and also yes you can bring

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your print outs because I have

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like I said I had a packet

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ready for them I was ready to

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go on every one of my slides and

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also for you -- you can have a

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print out to refer to so like

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if you get stuck like everybody

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does that's why I was saying

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about those -- functional

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limitations you can have that

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right here so you can look

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over it while you're giving

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the speech nobody -- nobody

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has a perfect memory so yeah I

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would actually encourage you to

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do that and books are actually

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in my view better because

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it's kind of harder especially

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depending on how you save your

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stuff on computer it's kinda

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harder for me to search on a

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computer than it is to just go

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to the index or the books and

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I've read all the books so I know

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exactly where to go

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Bianca's question was besides the --

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medical aspects of disabilities

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and -- the DSM-5 what

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other books would you recommend

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the little -- did you guys use the

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little blue book for your VR

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class it's like a little blue

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book that has a little

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circles on the outside of it

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I think it's like intro to

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vocational rehabilitation or

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something I would -- I would use

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that book but understand in

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that book the only thing you're

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really gonna use is about

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the functional limitations so

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if you can get a functional

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limitations print sheet instead

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that might be easier than

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logging that book around

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but you just have it marked to

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major things so I really doubt

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they're gonna hit you with some

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you know out of the way diagnosis

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I'm pretty sure they're gonna

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hit you with something that you

00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.000
can pick up pretty quick in the

00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:21.000
case conceptualization

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like you know I don't know

00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:25.000
worries all the time or you know

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constantly fearing about things and

00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:28.000
you're like oh ding ding ding

00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:30.000
this sounds like generalized

00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.000
anxiety disorder that kind of

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thing so it's going to be like

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that so but definitely the DSM-5

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those are really the only two

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books and the handout

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that I needed -- now you might

00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.000
want to bring your depending

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on how much you know about

00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.000
group -- career theory and your

00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.000
personal theory you might want

00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.000
to bring those three books so

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you might want to bring the

00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.000
two Corey books the group book

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and the -- theory book if

00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.000
you've highlighted aspects of

00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:06.000
your theory -- and then career

00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.000
theory if you're good on

00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:09.000
it you're good on it but if

00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.000
you're not good on your career

00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:11.000
theory you might want to bring

00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:14.000
that book so -- but again

00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:15.000
those are just quick reference

00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.000
points so -- you can bring

00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:18.000
these books and everything but

00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.000
make sure you know that you're

00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.000
limited you only have an hour

00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.000
to research all this so you

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kind of need to know ahead of

00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:25.000
time where you're going to go

00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:28.000
and what you're gonna you know

00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.000
talk about and -- also helpful

00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:31.000
when you're doing your reviews

00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:34.000
in your practices is to do that

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when you present in the oral

00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:38.000
comp are you presenting as if

00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:39.000
they're already your client

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or as if this is a client

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you're seeing in the future is

00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.000
that correct okay so I would

00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.000
present it as a client you're

00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:49.000
seeing in the future so --

00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:50.000
yeah when you talk about like

00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:53.000
the assessments area if you get

00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:57.000
into the -- narrative and you

00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.000
know like I mentioned it says

00:23:59.000 --> 00:23:60.000
something about you know always

00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.000
feels down -- hopeless that

00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.000
kind of thing and say well you

00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.000
know as part of my assessments I

00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:11.000
would give the -- PHQ-9

00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:13.000
screening questionnaire

00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:14.000
and see where they're you

00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:15.000
know depression rate was on

00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.000
that do you present it more

00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:21.000
as an intake right yes this

00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:27.000
is an intake so -- to use --

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maybe it was bad to me to talk

00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.000
about case conceptualization

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because when you think about it

00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.000
already have right okay so

00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.000
maybe it's better to present

00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.000
it as hey this is a new client

00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.000
you have here's a narrative

00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:43.000
on them so -- and I can use

00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:45.000
my experience in the field

00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.000
for you on that is that --

00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:49.000
the community mental health

00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:52.000
program I work at we I don't

00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.000
do the assessment we actually

00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:56.000
assessments and then they

00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:58.000
present for services so we

00:24:59.000 --> 00:24:61.000
a skeleton plan in place and

00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:02.000
we know what they're assessed

00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.000
with so when they come to see

00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.000
us then we start saying okay

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.000
what can we work on we just

00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:09.000
kind of verify the assessment

00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:12.000
and then work on the -- goals

00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:13.000
and objectives of that plan or

00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.000
add other goals and objectives

00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.000
right so with saying that we

00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:19.000
will get a narrative from the

00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.000
person who assessed them and

00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:22.000
that's the kind of narrative

00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:24.000
that you're going to get with

00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:25.000
the case study and the narrative

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might say you know -- Joe Smith

00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.000
is a 38-year-old

00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.000
Caucasian male you know and

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then on and on and on with all

00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:37.000
that so yeah it's just like an

00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.000
intake and assessment so during

00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:43.000
the oral comp -- you know for

00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:44.000
you if you practice person

00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.000
centered is there other theories

00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:47.000
you would have to add to that

00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.000
or be knowledgeable of is that

00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.000
your question so my answer

00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:56.000
to you would be yes --

00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.000
so for the oral comp

00:25:59.000 --> 00:25:60.000
they're more important with the

00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.000
generalized counseling theory

00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.000
just to know what theory you're

00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:08.000
using right -- but when I hear

00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.000
your question I'm also thinking

00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.000
about like career theory so

00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:13.000
that would be a theory you'd

00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:14.000
have to explain because I

00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.000
don't really think there's a

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.000
person centered career theory

00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:19.000
no okay and then also with

00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:23.000
like -- group theory it's gonna be

00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:24.000
different so yeah you'll have

00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.000
all three of those different

00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.000
so for the oral comp I would

00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:28.000
just worry about the theory

00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.000
that you embrace and that

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:31.000
you hold on and that you've

00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:33.000
been going on through with your

00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:37.000
cohort I would not go past that

00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:38.000
right now there's more to that

00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.000
but not for the oral comp is it

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.000
forty-five minutes total or is

00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.000
it forty-five minutes of you

00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:45.000
presenting and then they ask

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.000
their questions after right okay

00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:50.000
so my experience and I can only

00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:53.000
go off my experience -- is just

00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.000
like I said that forty-five

00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.000
minutes in my mind was my time

00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:60.000
so if they ask questions

00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:01.000
you know I would say okay I'm

00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.000
gonna cover that here or I

00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.000
would answer them very -- short

00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.000
and an abrupt answer and

00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.000
move on so that's kind of --

00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.000
why I said that I had it down

00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:15.000
to like I knew I could do three

00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.000
minutes a slide so I knew in my

00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.000
head three minutes next slide

00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.000
so if they would ask a question

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.000
I mean that's their right and you

00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.000
can be prepared for it but you

00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.000
can always say oh you know what

00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.000
I'm gonna cover that in about three

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.000
slides whether you do or not is

00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:33.000
another question because they'll

00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:34.000
probably forget about it by

00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.000
then but you know you can say

00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.000
that right so and -- I think

00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:43.000
that during I think this I did

00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.000
get interrupted once right and

00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.000
I said okay we'll cover that

00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.000
at the end and that was it and

00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.000
at the end we covered it and

00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.000
that was it so does that answer it

00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:57.000
does that kind of help so I wanna

00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:58.000
make sure from an

00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.000
experience standpoint is I

00:27:59.000 --> 00:27:61.000
don't think that anybody on

00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:03.000
your board is there to

00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.000
to want to sharpshoot you or

00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.000
troubleshoot you or see you

00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.000
do badly I cannot imagine

00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.000
why right I -- I can't

00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.000
even think in that wheelhouse

00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.000
that that's the case it may

00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:16.000
feel that way sometimes but

00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:19.000
it's not -- so yeah I would

00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:20.000
just look at that as they're

00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.000
there for your success and

00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:24.000
they use it as a celebration

00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.000
of your academic achievement

00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.000
that's my favorite tagline

00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.000
with that kind of stuff it's

00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.000
like you just said it's going to

00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.000
be more like an intake so you

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.000
can conceptualize it that way

00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.000
I said case conceptualization

00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:39.000
that's the way I was using the

00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.000
word conceptualization -- for

00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.000
this oral comprehensive exam

00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:46.000
yeah you want to conceptualize

00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:50.000
how your theory works with

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.000
this person whether it be your

00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.000
career theory or your personal

00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.000
theory of counseling how do

00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.000
you integrate both parts into

00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:58.000
your oral comprehensive

00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:60.000
exam which is your -- the

00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.000
mental health aspects and

00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.000
the vocational rehabilitation

00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:08.000
aspects right okay so experientially

00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.000
I can tell you that I never

00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.000
saw a difference so what I'm

00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.000
telling you is to me counseling

00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.000
is counseling and that's the way I

00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.000
always looked at it however with

00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:20.000
saying that I understand that

00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:24.000
some people do separate VR

00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.000
vocational rehabilitation from

00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.000
mental health counseling right

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.000
we have a tendency to do that

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:31.000
so what I'm asking you to do now

00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.000
is to stop thinking like that

00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.000
I know it's hard to do -- but

00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:36.000
how you integrate both of them

00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.000
is that the way the rubric is

00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:41.000
set up you kind of have

00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.000
to integrate both of them so

00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.000
what you're gonna have to do is

00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.000
stop yourself from saying well

00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.000
I'm gonna be a VR counselor so

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:51.000
I didn't really do this section

00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.000
on mental health too good or

00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.000
the opposite saying well I'm

00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.000
gonna work in mental health so

00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.000
I didn't really deal with the

00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:59.000
functional limitations or any

00:29:59.000 --> 00:29:61.000
of the career counseling stuff

00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.000
right and so by doing that

00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.000
that helps you to integrate

00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.000
understand that everything you've

00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.000
learned is for the whole

00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.000
field of counseling it doesn't

00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.000
delineate between mental health

00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.000
and vocational rehabilitation

00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:17.000
to how I do it in my experience

00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:22.000
is I just read I read and I

00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.000
I came to the realization in

00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.000
fact the one article I read was

00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.000
about -- theories of counseling

00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.000
right and it talked about a

00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.000
two hat theory versus -- a

00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:35.000
one hat theory right and

00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:36.000
when I read that I think it's

00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.000
in one of your readings I just

00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.000
can't tell you where right now

00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.000
when I read that I came to

00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.000
realize that it just benefits

00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.000
you to know all that rather

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.000
than just to try and specialize

00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.000
in one area so that's how I got

00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.000
past that barrier -- again if

00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:56.000
you're stuck in that barrier

00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.000
you just have to understand

00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:60.000
that you could go either way

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.000
so and everything is interrelated

00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:04.000
so there are VR

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.000
counselors who are doing

00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.000
mental health probably outside

00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:09.000
of their scope of practice

00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.000
but they're doing it and

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.000
counselors that are doing

00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:14.000
vocational rehabilitation

00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.000
was there anything I wish I

00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:22.000
about my oral comp -- yeah

00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.000
so I'm trying to think of

00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.000
what wouldn't be too in depth

00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:31.000
I think that I would have

00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.000
I would have -- I had

00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.000
set everything up right and I

00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:40.000
really didn't have anything to

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.000
worry about but I still worried

00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.000
about it for what reason I

00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.000
don't know -- and the other

00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:50.000
thing is that I one thing I

00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.000
mentioned is about the -- getting

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.000
with you know other members

00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.000
and stuff outside of your

00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:56.000
cohort I wish I would have done

00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.000
more in that because there

00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:60.000
are some amazing people here

00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.000
at Western that understand like

00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.000
you know media how to present

00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.000
and they can help you like set

00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.000
it up to where it's just so

00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.000
smooth all you have to do is

00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.000
practice it's already basically

00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.000
done for you the outline is there

00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.000
you just input the information

00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.000
and it's a perfect slide and then

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.000
a lot of people struggle with

00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.000
making slides or like trying

00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:24.000
to figure out you know when

00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.000
to switch the slide or which

00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.000
slide they're on like if you

00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.000
guys didn't know right now I

00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:30.000
have a little cheat sheet that

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.000
says next slide so I know when

00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.000
to go to the next slide and

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.000
that was something I learned

00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.000
from somebody else so that's

00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:40.000
one another thing I would have

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.000
done did you have to email your

00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.000
supervisor about who you wanted

00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.000
on your panel or how did you

00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:51.000
go about doing that -- so in

00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:54.000
my experience -- what I did is

00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.000
I kind of picked two of the people

00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.000
I wanted on my panel one was

00:32:59.000 --> 00:32:60.000
going to be on my panel for

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.000
sure I don't know if that's

00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:02.000
still the way they're doing

00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.000
it yeah so Dr. Thew was

00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:05.000
going to be on my panel no

00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.000
matter or I'm sorry -- wow Dr. Ni

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.000
was gonna be on my panel

00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:10.000
no matter what because she was

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.000
my supervisor from the school

00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.000
right so then the other person

00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.000
has to be your supervisor at

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.000
your intern site right and then

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:23.000
the third person is I don't

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.000
know how they're working it

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.000
so -- so they're only needs

00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.000
to be two people I'm sorry I

00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.000
had three people on my panel

00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.000
so yes to answer your question

00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.000
what I did is I -- told my

00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.000
supervisor about it and told

00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.000
him what was going on and my

00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:42.000
internship was actually in

00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.000
Vancouver and it was with the

00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.000
VA so there's a lot of other

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:47.000
stuff involved with that like

00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:48.000
he's got to get permission to

00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:52.000
get travel all that stuff so I

00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.000
did it ahead of time and when

00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.000
I emailed him I said okay these

00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.000
are the dates and times I was

00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.000
thinking and I also included

00:33:58.000 --> 00:33:62.000
Dr. Ni on that email and it was

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.000
like a -- a collaboration so

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.000
he kind of said well yeah you

00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.000
know this day is good for me

00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:10.000
these days are good for me and

00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.000
these times are good for me

00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.000
okay so Friday at ten o'clock

00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:15.000
would be a good time for you

00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.000
yes okay can we do it on this

00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.000
date yes okay Dr. Ni can you

00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.000
do it on this day yes and then

00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.000
a group email amongst those

00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:28.000
two hey you know I'm planning

00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:29.000
on doing this I'm going to

00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.000
send you out an invitation

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.000
shortly and then I send them

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.000
out a calendar invitation

00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.000
on Outlook for that date or

00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.000
actually it was on Google because

00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.000
we use Google I send them out a

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.000
calendar invitation made sure

00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.000
they accepted it and it was

00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.000
set and then I went as far as

00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:47.000
actually print off directions

00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.000
for my supervisor and all kinds

00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.000
of stuff but yeah the more you

00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:52.000
can keep them in the loop the

00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.000
better when you received your

00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:56.000
case study do you feel like you

00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:57.000
had enough information to do

00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:58.000
whatever it is you needed to

00:34:58.000 --> 00:34:60.000
do and my answer was a quick

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:03.000
no and you won't and that's

00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:06.000
the reality anyway so actually

00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.000
it helps set you up for future

00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.000
practice because it's gonna

00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:11.000
be just like future practice

00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:14.000
and actually you get more in

00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:15.000
the comprehensive exam than you

00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.000
will get in your future practice

00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.000
it up is enough information

00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.000
for you to highlight certain

00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.000
aspects and know where that fits

00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.000
on your rubric so -- that's

00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.000
why when I mentioned the --

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.000
the assessment -- and assessment

00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.000
and diagnostic class -- when I went

00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.000
through that class we did some

00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:40.000
there's a case study book like

00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.000
I said for DSM-5 pulled some

00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.000
case studies out of that book went

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:46.000
through them as a group and some of

00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:48.000
them were homework assignments

00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.000
and we'd do a case study and

00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.000
say well this you know I would

00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.000
diagnose this person as x

00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.000
and this is the reasons why and

00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.000
this is the criteria I used

00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:61.000
for that okay by doing that

00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.000
you learn quickly to highlight

00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.000
certain aspects of a

00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:05.000
narrative that are important

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.000
for you so when you get a

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:09.000
narrative which I know you've

00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.000
probably done in your medical

00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:14.000
get a narrative you can just

00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.000
highlight certain important --

00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.000
aspects -- important -- important

00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.000
aspects of that that apply to

00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.000
your theory -- did everybody

00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.000
understand how I said that

00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.000
yeah so that's just a familiarity 

00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:28.000
thing so when you do

00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.000
those practice sessions right

00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.000
that's what you do one thing I

00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:33.000
would -- encourage you to do is

00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.000
have -- different people come

00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.000
up with different ones so like

00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.000
one week hey you're responsible

00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:41.000
for coming up with a case

00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.000
narrative and then you'd send

00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.000
it out to everybody right --

00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.000
I don't know what that's gonna

00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.000
look like for you guys send it out

00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.000
a couple days in advance and

00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.000
then you guys work on it and

00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:54.000
then whoever goes goes draw the

00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.000
hat take turns however but at

00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.000
least everybody gets familiar

00:36:58.000 --> 00:36:60.000
with doing that case narrative

00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.000
and that was very very helpful

00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.000
so the question is which one

00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:05.000
was easier well this depends

00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:09.000
on the person and it's kind

00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:10.000
of unfair it depends you should

00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.000
love that you know expression

00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:16.000
by now so I had -- voc rehab

00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.000
experience before so the

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:20.000
voc rehab test was a little

00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.000
bit easier but the consensus

00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.000
from the people I know is the

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.000
voc rehab test is actually

00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.000
harder I don't know I don't

00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.000
know why they say that but okay

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:35.000
we'll go with it because that

00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.000
seems to be the --

00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.000
consensus so I honestly think the NCC

00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.000
was harder just because it was

00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.000
I mean by that is that some

00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.000
of those questions on there

00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.000
might be right and you know

00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.000
if you want to do the work to

00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.000
challenge them you can which

00:37:58.000 --> 00:37:61.000
is a process in itself but if

00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.000
you know what the current state

00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.000
of the theory is then then

00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:06.000
you'd be fine on that test but

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.000
some of them are worded in a

00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.000
way where -- the

00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:11.000
CRC's the same way where two

00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.000
of them can be right but --

00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.000
theoretically speaking on the

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:18.000
NCC both of them were right

00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.000
but I had to go back and say

00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.000
okay which one was correct

00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:23.000
now so my experience with that

00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.000
what I'm saying on that is --

00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.000
part of my prep for the NCC

00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.000
was I actually bought like the

00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.000
forty dollar book from them --

00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:32.000
and with that book you get an

00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.000
annotated bibliography of of

00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:37.000
the books they used to write

00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.000
that test so if you can

00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:41.000
figure out which books they

00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:42.000
used to write the test you

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.000
know who's interpretation of

00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.000
the theory they're going on so

00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:48.000
it makes sense so if they're

00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.000
asking a question about like

00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.000
psychodynamic approaches or

00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.000
you know I can't come up

00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.000
with it right off top of my

00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:57.000
head but the answer was from

00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.000
the most current one and not

00:38:59.000 --> 00:38:61.000
from the traditional thinking

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:02.000
what would be effective

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.000
because right now you're

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:06.000
using the NCC study guide --

00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.000
and some flash cards but your

00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.000
planning on taking the CRC

00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:11.000
test correct so I would --

00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:12.000
encourage you to use the NCC's

00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.000
study guide you're probably

00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.000
using the whatever the guy's

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.000
name is I can't remember Rothberg or

00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.000
or something like that

00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.000
Encyclopedia of Counseling oh

00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.000
no that's a different one okay

00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.000
don't know if you guys got it

00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.000
no no no this isn't the book you

00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.000
have to pay for this is a book

00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.000
that's -- through the library

00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.000
you can actually online access

00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.000
right and it's ten chapters and

00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.000
that's what I used and I say

00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:43.000
this and Dr. Ni told me

00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.000
not to tell my cohort this but

00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.000
it took me just under fifteen

00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:49.000
minutes to take the CRC

00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.000
that's it fifteen minutes and

00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.000
I walked out and five minutes

00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.000
later I had a congratulations

00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:61.000
so I had a study plan from --

00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.000
fall semester starts in

00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:05.000
September right so about this

00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.000
time frame I had an older

00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.000
edition of that book I had

00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.000
the third anniversary edition

00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.000
no that one yeah the third

00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.000
anniversary silver edition of

00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.000
that one and then I had this

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.000
other book that I keep talking

00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:20.000
about but I can't give you the

00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:21.000
name right now because I can't

00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.000
remember it's like CRC I think it's

00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.000
actually called the CRC Exam Guide is what it's called

00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:31.000
and -- anyways what I did is

00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:32.000
I scheduled in an hour every day

00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.000
to study so I would alternate

00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:39.000
between the Encyclopedia of Counseling

00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:43.000
and the CRC Exam so you know Monday

00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.000
encyclopedia Tuesday CRC

00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:47.000
and the way those books are

00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:50.000
set up is I actually okay

00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:51.000
we'll just focus on this one

00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.000
for the NCC for the NCC I read

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.000
the whole book first just read

00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.000
the whole book went ahead and read

00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:59.000
it answer the questions how I

00:40:59.000 --> 00:40:61.000
knew roll with it and then I

00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.000
went through it and I took the

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.000
test again and I wrote down

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.000
my answers on a -- on a 3x5

00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.000
card right and then I looked

00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.000
at the areas that I was the

00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:13.000
weakest on and then I started

00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.000
just working on those areas

00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.000
okay and now along with that

00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.000
there is also -- CDs you can

00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:21.000
get for this that are a lot

00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:22.000
older but you can probably

00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.000
get them burned I gave a copy

00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.000
to one of my classmates my

00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.000
copy -- and on my ride in

00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.000
to school in the morning I

00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.000
would listen to my good

00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:34.000
friend what's his name Saul

00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.000
something Rosenthal so I would

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.000
listen to my good buddy Saul

00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:41.000
Rosenthal talk about whatever

00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:43.000
for my thirty or forty-five

00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.000
minute ride in here every day

00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.000
and I think the NCC took me

00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.000
thirty minutes so your question

00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:51.000
is how long would it take you

00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.000
to read this if you just sat 

00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:56.000
me -- yeah it no and this is a good

00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.000
take me so two minutes per page

00:41:58.000 --> 00:41:60.000
okay so you read pretty quickly

00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.000
yeah I mean but that's

00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:05.000
I know I might be less yeah it's

00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:06.000
two minutes per page because

00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.000
thirty thirty pages an hour

00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:10.000
is what I read I just know

00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.000
that because I'm I know so

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:14.000
yeah that's one of those things

00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:15.000
that people know that they

00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.000
probably shouldn't know but two

00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:21.000
minutes per page is what I read

00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.000
and for -- and another good

00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:24.000
method for you to know is I see

00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.000
you got a highlighter yeah but

00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.000
when you highlight highlight it

00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.000
if it sticks out to you so

00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.000
wow then highlight it but if

00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.000
it doesn't stick out to you

00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:35.000
don't highlight it because then

00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.000
you got a bunch of highlight right

00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.000
so I have a suggestion for you

00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:41.000
that I don't know why people

00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.000
don't get it you actually pay

00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.000
for library services right that

00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.000
book is online accessed through

00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.000
library so you can actually

00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.000
go on and get online access

00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:54.000
if you don't mind reading

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.000
books like that and you can

00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.000
download it and that's what I

00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.000
did so I've got it all saved

00:42:59.000 --> 00:42:61.000
all ten chapters saved and

00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:02.000
since I'm just using them for

00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.000
myself that's totally legal

00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.000
to do that so and you can do

00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:08.000
that with many of your books

00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.000
that you enjoy the library

00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.000
actually has access to them

00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.000
but nobody ever uses the library

00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.000
resources the question was was

00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:17.000
this book helpful for the NCE

00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.000
absolutely this is the book

00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.000
you want for the NCE

00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.000
the only thing I could recommend

00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:24.000
besides this is if you do

00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.000
want to spend the forty-five

00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.000
dollars they will come out

00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.000
with a guide prior to your

00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.000
the only reason I bought that

00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.000
guide -- it did help right

00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:40.000
it was like practice questions

00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.000
from previous NCC exams and

00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.000
it also went over the domains

00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.000
and each domains but the most

00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:48.000
important thing like I said it

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.000
was that annotated bibliography

00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:51.000
it's just a piece of paper that

00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.000
they add with it but it let you

00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:54.000
if you have the time you can

00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.000
read some of those books but it

00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.000
let you know which books they

00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:60.000
used for the test so you kind

00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.000
of get an idea of like I said

00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.000
when you go in that test you

00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:04.000
can kind of say oh well they're

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.000
going off of this person's

00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.000
interpretation of this theory

00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.000
so that's the answer that might

00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.000
be why it didn't take me that

00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.000
long to take the CRC because

00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.000
I took the NCC like after

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.000
thirty days of continuous study

00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:20.000
and I took the CRC

00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.000
after like months like I didn't

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I didn't stop studying I did

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an hour everyday and you know

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I was even giggling because I

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was answering all the questions

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they have in these tests so

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every night I -- or every

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night every other night I would

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answer like 160

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questions and get 160

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right by the end of it

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and just giggle about it right

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so because I was doing

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that because I was doing that

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guess what happened when I

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went into the test site I did

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the exact same thing and it

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only took fifteen minutes now

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the questions were a little

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different and they were nothing

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like the questions on that test

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but being able to conceptualize

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from that test I was like

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oh well yeah you know -- the

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the degree of a ramp or something

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for example oh yeah there

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I got that you know if test

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anxiety is what your thing

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or if things going on around

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you bother you then you need

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to prepare yourself because

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these test sites -- when I went

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to take the NCC exam it's not

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just the NCC exam they were

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giving so they're giving all

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different types of exams right

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and you have to have certain

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forms of ID so make sure you

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read the instructions before

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you go in there -- when I

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went in there there was also

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somebody who was freaking out

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because I guess they decided

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to get married after they had

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so their name was different from

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their exam name and you know

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they were all mad and upset

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and it was disrupting the test

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environment so stuff like that

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environment so it's a cubicle

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right it's just a little tiny

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cubicle and the computers do

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not work good they're like

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so they might be like fuzzy or

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something but this is stuff I'm

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telling you ahead of time so

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you can prepare for you can't

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so now you can't use that as

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an excuse right but I will tell

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you if you are one of those

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people that have that whole

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test problem and I mean it's

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just like going into a prison

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almost you have to empty or

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you know for me like a psych

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ward empty all your pockets

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you can't have anything on you

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they actually if you wear

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glasses they have to do this

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fancy thing with your glasses

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to make sure you don't have

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any devices with your glasses

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yeah so you know everything

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and its fingerprint too so they

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check your fingerprint to make

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sure that you're not cheating

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and the whole time it's --

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I don't know what the -- it's

00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.000
panopticon but I don't know what we call

00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.000
it so it's like central so there's

00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:58.000
like the test administrator

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right here and then you're in

00:46:59.000 --> 00:46:62.000
a circle around her or him and

00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:03.000
they're like watching you the

00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.000
whole time and then there's

00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:07.000
like cameras up here watching

00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.000
you the whole time take it

00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.000
so if you haven't experienced

00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:12.000
that before maybe you can

00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.000
do some -- what do they call

00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.000
that in vivo exposure go do

00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.000
that might help go in the

00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:19.000
library here and you know

00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:20.000
put some headphones on and

00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.000
practice testing in that environment

00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:23.000
so when the time comes you can be

00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.000
like yeah whatever for

00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:26.000
what I was talking about with

00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:29.000
that book for the CRC now that I remember it

00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.000
I actually used writing too

00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.000
so I wrote out all the test

00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.000
questions onto a form so that

00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:36.000
way I could take it just like

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.000
a test yeah I just couldn't

00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.000
I don't have the you know

00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:42.000
to do that toggle switch and

00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.000
actually set up one in the

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computer because that was the

00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:46.000
other thing I was gonna do

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:47.000
but I didn't have time when

00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.000
you sign up to take the NCC

00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.000
the NBCC Board that you sign

00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.000
up through the account they

00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.000
have a store on there and then

00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.000
during the test season of when

00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:61.000
your test is there'll be a

00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:02.000
study guide that comes out and

00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.000
it will be the official NCC

00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.000
examination guide is what it's

00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.000
called and it's like a book about

00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:11.000
that thick and about this big and

00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:13.000
it's forty-five bucks yeah

00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.000
if you're computer savvy enough

00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.000
you can -- you know put it in

00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.000
the computer and download it

00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:19.000
onto your computer and then

00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.000
transfer it to like mp4

00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:22.000
and then you can put it

00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.000
on like a flash drive and then

00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:26.000
you know depending on how your

00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:27.000
car works some cars have flash

00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:31.000
drive -- as an example the

00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:32.000
other example if you do have

00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.000
a computer and it does have

00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:36.000
like a CD-ROM drive or

00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.000
whatever you can plug it into

00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.000
your car that way and listen

00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:42.000
the audio from the computer

00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.000
through the car so that's

00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.000
some suggestions that's it

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applause