WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.000 music 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:11.000 welcome everybody it's great 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:13.000 to see such a great turn out 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:15.000 this is the Dean's seminar 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:18.000 speaker series on creating a 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.000 sustainable future which I 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:24.000 think -- goes without saying 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:26.000 is an obvious necessity for us 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:30.000 to consider today's speaker is 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:32.000 Phil Harding a very distinguished 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.000 individual both academically 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.000 and in his engineering career 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:40.000 he's worked very closely with 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:43.000 business as well as academics 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:44.000 and is one of the few people 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:46.000 I -- know who can really 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:49.000 bridge that gap and give hope 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.000 for the future that actually 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.000 makes logical and economic 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:55.000 sense so with that Phil 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:56.000 alright great 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:57.000 thanks for the introduction 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:58.000 Mark you guys can hear me in 00:00:58.000 --> 00:00:59.000 the back thanks thanks for 00:00:59.000 --> 00:00:61.000 welcoming me you guys it's great to be 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:02.000 here it's a beautiful campus 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.000 it's a sunny day thanks for 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.000 arranging that for me I'm hoping 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.000 you walk out of here excited 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.000 about possibilities of what 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:11.000 the future holds opportunities 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.000 for you guys and what we can 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.000 do with the situation I think 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:16.000 generally it cast in a negative 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.000 light I'm gonna introduce myself a 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:19.000 little bit I'm a chemical 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.000 engineer by training and I'm 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:22.000 not going to go through all 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.000 this but I -- what's important 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.000 to me is that you know that 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:28.000 I've got a lot of experience 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.000 in process and manufacturing 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.000 and product development so 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:35.000 I I just left Oregon State University 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.000 another great state 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:39.000 school -- after twelve years 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:43.000 and I wanted to go back in to 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:45.000 making things and so I've had 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.000 a chance to be in a number of 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.000 different environments and now 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:50.000 I'm serving as the Director of 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:52.000 Technology and Sustainability 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:53.000 for Willamette Falls Paper Company 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.000 in West Linn Oregon and 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.000 so I speak to these things from 00:01:59.000 --> 00:01:61.000 first person and -- that's what 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.000 I want you to take away from from 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:06.000 my bio so you hear a lot of 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.000 talks we all get a little sad 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.000 at times okay I'm not here to 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.000 be sad what I am here to do is 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.000 to talk about carbon dioxide 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.000 and I'm going to advocate -- 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.000 to you a way to do that that 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:24.000 I found very exciting 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:25.000 we're gonna talk about keeping 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:27.000 temperature change low we're gonna 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.000 talk about national level and 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.000 we're gonna be positive which 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.000 means that we're gonna talk 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.000 about us and not them so not 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:37.000 gonna talk -- about 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.000 methane or hydroflourocarbans 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:41.000 they're important I'm not going to 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:43.000 talk about them okay -- climate 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:44.000 science I'm not going to try 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:47.000 to convince any of you about 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:48.000 whether we should challenge 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.000 scientists I'm not gonna 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:53.000 suggest a warmer of earth 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.000 is okay -- I'm not gonna talk 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:57.000 about local state international 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.000 things you all understand that 00:02:59.000 --> 00:02:60.000 a little bit and I'm not gonna be 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:03.000 negative I'm not gonna say well 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.000 they do this all right but not 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:06.000 me all right we're not going 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.000 to do that so so what 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:14.000 sure that everybody knows what 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.000 a fossil fuel is okay and it's 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.000 okay if you don't you know a fossil 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:22.000 fuel gets its name because it's 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.000 made from the coal which in 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.000 turn the fossil part comes from 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:27.000 the fact that coal comes from 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:32.000 fossils -- plants and animals -- yeah great 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:34.000 any other fossil fuels you know 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:37.000 about petroleum and natural 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:38.000 gas all three of those are 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.000 fossil fuels thank you and next 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.000 time we'll give you the pointer 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:44.000 so that's a great intro thanks 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:45.000 so both that's folks that's what a fossil 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:48.000 fuel is and the combustion 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.000 of fossil fuels generates 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.000 generates CO2 and CO2 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.000 here's a picture CO2 and the 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.000 thing with CO2 is it absorbs 00:03:59.000 --> 00:03:60.000 Ray correct me if I'm wrong 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.000 here so Ray Dandeneau a very 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:03.000 distinguished instructor on your 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:04.000 faculty it's great to have him 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:05.000 here in the front row an old 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.000 but -- CO2 absorbs energy 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:11.000 and the molecule goes like this 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.000 and certain wavelengths of 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.000 radiation -- make the molecule 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.000 absorb energy and so it goes 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.000 from this to this right so 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:20.000 you when you think about look 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:21.000 up in the sky you think well 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.000 who cares about a few hundred 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:24.000 parts per million why does it 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.000 make a difference well it's 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.000 absorbing energy in ways other 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.000 molecules can't so this is 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:32.000 stuff I don't wanna talk about 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:35.000 right God right this stuff we 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:36.000 read it's in the papers it's on the 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.000 radio please be gone there all 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.000 right so what I want you to 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.000 recognize and hopefully agree 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.000 with me on is the problem that 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:49.000 we're trying to deal with is 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:53.000 CO2 emissions all right the 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:56.000 problem is not that guy's truck 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.000 is too big that family flies 00:04:59.000 --> 00:04:62.000 too much -- I should save 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.000 up for solar panels there's a 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:07.000 billion of those right the root 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.000 problem is CO2 emissions 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.000 and that's what we what we want 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.000 to deal with right in anything 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:14.000 in your life you want to get 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:15.000 to the root cause you -- 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:16.000 you don't want to deal with the 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:17.000 multitude of other things that you 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.000 can work on or you should work 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.000 on and you feel bad all the time we 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:24.000 need to come up with a solution 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.000 that's comprehensible comprehensible 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.000 means that not only everyone 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:30.000 in this room but everyone in 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.000 the small town or big city can 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:34.000 kind of understand what we're 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.000 trying to do right because when 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:38.000 we expect our elected officials 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.000 to represent these ideas they 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.000 need to be able to explain it 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:44.000 and if they can't they're going 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.000 to get into trouble so we'll get 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:49.000 to that too now we're gonna 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:51.000 have a few seconds of quiet and 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.000 I'm gonna ask you to read this 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.000 thank you for your focus so 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.000 this is a lot but it's very 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.000 succinctly says there's a billion 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.000 things going on literally and 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.000 it's overwhelming we'll get 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:35.000 buried we can't go there that 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.000 just replacing your light bulbs 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:42.000 is not enough right President Obama 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.000 had a -- uncharacteristically 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.000 profane version of that he 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.000 delivered a few years ago that 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.000 made me giggle and then to 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:51.000 quote James Carville an old 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.000 political leader it says the 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:54.000 economy stupid in other words 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.000 really people won't make a 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.000 lot of sacrifice until there's 00:06:59.000 --> 00:06:63.000 a financial motivation I'm 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:04.000 talking across the board okay 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:06.000 I'm not criticizing you guys 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.000 or me or anyone but in the 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.000 end you talk about changing it 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.000 money is kind of what drives 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.000 people we we can argue about 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.000 that later if you want again 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.000 I'm saying across the board I 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:19.000 want to tell you a little bit 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:20.000 about my recent experience and 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.000 how it sort of solidified that 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.000 for me so I I left Oregon State 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.000 to join Willamette Falls Paper and 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.000 we're doing a lot of exciting 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.000 things there this is me with 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:34.000 the team here there's Barb in 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.000 sales these are operators 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:37.000 President Brian Konen 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:40.000 owner Ken Peterson and me and this 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.000 is just a great group of people and 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.000 behind us is the first 10 ton 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.000 roll of communications paper 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:50.000 featuring non wood fibers and 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.000 that's really cool -- in the 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:53.000 lower left hand corner you 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.000 see another one of our paper 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.000 machines running a what I call 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:60.000 a golden grade I try to issue 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:01.000 the terms brown and yellow they 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.000 have negative connotations but 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:04.000 we're making we're actually 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:05.000 making grades that are fifty 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:06.000 percent wheat straw and fifty 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:09.000 percent recycle super exciting 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:10.000 question did you 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:11.000 know that money is one of the 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.000 reasons why we have climate 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.000 change because people are 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:17.000 obsessed with money -- yeah but can 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.000 you blame them I mean aren't we 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.000 all the same but let's let's 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:22.000 so so we've got a couple cool 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:24.000 things going but that and I 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:25.000 don't mean to be negative but 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.000 we've got these recycle grades 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.000 and we have a single digit 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.000 percent higher price on those 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.000 and it's hard to move them right 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:34.000 oh I want you know this and 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.000 that but in the end people like 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.000 really hesitate to spend money 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.000 then we've got these new -- non 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:41.000 wood fiber containing grades 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.000 and I'm working really hard in 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:44.000 fact I just looked at my phone 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.000 before the talk I've got merchants 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:47.000 on the east coast calling me saying 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:50.000 what can I do to start to advocate 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:51.000 for these new grades and it's 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:52.000 really slow to get people to 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:54.000 embrace this so I'm really enjoying 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:56.000 my work I believe in it but 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:57.000 I see the market develop very 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:61.000 slowly because of money right 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:02.000 and that's natural that's okay 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:03.000 I don't have any hard feelings 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:06.000 so so let's go through it kind 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:07.000 of systematically first 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:09.000 of all why do I care why do 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.000 I care why's this guy care well 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:15.000 I don't want to I have a wife 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.000 and three daughters I don't 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:19.000 want to look back in thirty 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:22.000 years and think -- you could 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:25.000 have done something now sure I'm 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:26.000 giving a talk and I get to meet 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.000 all you great people -- I'm 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:30.000 not doing that much no but I'm 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.000 doing what I can kind of fit 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:35.000 in right now I don't want to look back 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.000 and feel that I didn't in this 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:38.000 talk though I want to go -- I wanna 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:40.000 start talking about carbon footprint 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:41.000 you guys hear that term a 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:42.000 lot I want to convince you that it's 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.000 extraordinarily complicated I 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:46.000 want to start to give you good 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.000 news which is there's an actual 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:51.000 bill in the United States 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.000 House supported by over eighty 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:57.000 legislators that is actually in 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.000 place right now that reflects 00:09:59.000 --> 00:09:60.000 some of the things we're gonna talk 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:01.000 about I'm going to talk about 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.000 that bill HR 763 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.000 the predicted predicted -- 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:09.000 reduction in emissions and 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:10.000 I'm gonna try to convince you 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:11.000 it's good for people and that 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:14.000 means in every way health 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:17.000 excitement about life invention 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:20.000 and then obviously CO2 and 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:21.000 then from my from my business 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.000 and product develop perspective 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:24.000 I'm going to try to convince 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.000 you that pricing carbon really 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.000 isn't negative it's a good 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.000 thing especially when you 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:35.000 give the money back to people 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:37.000 I'll leave that for the moment 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.000 okay so carbon footprint very 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.000 complicated okay everyone rub 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.000 your eyes we're gonna start taking a 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.000 look at some charts okay this 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.000 is -- comes from the most 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.000 recent British Petroleum World 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:55.000 Energy report and it is a 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:58.000 graph showing energy usage from 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:04.000 for you coal natural gas and 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:08.000 oil and you can see you can 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.000 see some things here -- but 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.000 the big one is that our energy 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.000 use continues to grow including 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.000 fossil fuel so let's take a 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:17.000 look here we see some some 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.000 slivers in there so here's some 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.000 good news we see renewables 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.000 growing they're growing 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.000 but I don't want people to 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.000 fall asleep not here I know 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:29.000 you guys aren't falling asleep I don't 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:30.000 people to fall asleep at the 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:32.000 wheel because you see oh Phil 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:34.000 Harding's got solar panels on 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:36.000 the shop I don't have to worry 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.000 about it anymore okay it's 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:41.000 insignificant my solar panels 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:42.000 I've got a six kilowatt system 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.000 I love them right but it's 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.000 insignificant hydroelectric 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:48.000 and nuclear there's limitations 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:49.000 there there's only so many 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.000 dams we can make so much 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.000 efficiency we extract from dams 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:55.000 nuclear powers you know we're 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.000 we struggle with storage and 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.000 safety concerns -- we won't 00:11:59.000 --> 00:11:62.000 discuss that here but -- but 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:03.000 it's interesting to look at 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.000 the magnitude of those isn't it 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:08.000 okay now so my takeaways here 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:09.000 is that renewables are really 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:11.000 a sliver of energy use we're 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:14.000 limited from hydro and nuclear 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:17.000 so now really get your eyes ready 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.000 okay this is the product of 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:23.000 your tax dollars it is a map 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.000 of energy usage in the United 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.000 States on the left and you may 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:29.000 not be able to read that in the back 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:30.000 these are energy sources from 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.000 solar all on down to petroleum 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:35.000 and this is a magnificently 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:38.000 complicated thing but it tells 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.000 you where these different 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:41.000 sources of energy where they 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:44.000 end up going so let's go 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:47.000 through an example petroleum 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.000 on the bottom thirty seven this 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:54.000 is I think this is tera -- 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:55.000 terawatts or something I can't remember 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.000 the units forgive me but you 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:58.000 can just use -- look at the 00:12:58.000 --> 00:12:60.000 relative magnitudes so -- 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.000 petroleum comes along most of 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.000 it goes to transportation some 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.000 of it goes to industrial anyone 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.000 knows what that is that's a 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.000 boiler like a boiler I'm gonna 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.000 fire -- fire oil into a 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.000 boil-- boiler burn it generate 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:19.000 steam right and use it to drive 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.000 stuff like a paper machine so I 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.000 can have paper that's in front 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:24.000 of you guys -- and in your hands 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.000 right now -- solar solar tiny 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:29.000 little sliver there the box 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:30.000 is not representative of the 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.000 sliver size and it goes into 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:35.000 electricity generation but look 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:39.000 down here goes right to right 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:40.000 to industrials that might be like 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.000 a passive warming system or 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.000 something like that but what 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:47.000 you see is that there's so 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:48.000 many places all this energy 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.000 goes right it's overwhelming 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:53.000 like you can wring your hands 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:56.000 saying oh we need to increase 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.000 the amount of solar that those 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:59.000 folks in industry use folks 00:13:59.000 --> 00:13:61.000 in industry by the way is the 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.000 people you see in the mirror 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.000 clothes and your -- right it's 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.000 us all of us our industry I'll 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:10.000 get to that in a second but I can 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:12.000 wring my hands over every little 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.000 line and say we need to do this 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.000 we need to do that and each one 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.000 of those has a huge political 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.000 fight involved right let's 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:21.000 go through this let's pull all 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.000 the way back out let's look at 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:24.000 something as simple as eating 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.000 an orange and how complicated 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:29.000 it is I'm gonna eat an orange 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.000 well I have to have a building 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:32.000 in which I eat it especially in 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:33.000 Oregon it's beautiful today be 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.000 nice to eat an orange outside 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.000 but usually I have a home right 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.000 I'm heating that home maybe 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:42.000 I squeeze my orange to get juice 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.000 right I gotta make that thing 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:48.000 right so it's not just the 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:49.000 orange I've gotta just the act of 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.000 eating it has carbon but wait 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:53.000 where did I buy the orange I went 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.000 to a store I took the orange 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:57.000 off a shelf and I put it in the 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:58.000 cart someone's gotta make that 00:14:58.000 --> 00:14:60.000 cart someone's gotta build 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.000 the steel shelves we gotta we 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:04.000 gotta build the store we gotta 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:07.000 heat that store right this is 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:08.000 just eating oranges you guys 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.000 and we're not done so there's 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.000 that now that shopping cart 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:13.000 where'd that come from that 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.000 came from some place that 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.000 does steel manufacturing big 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.000 energy uses there right and 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:23.000 then finally I moved it around 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:26.000 I I'd I'd shifted from Florida 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.000 and then I drove it home so 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.000 this is just eating an orange so 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:32.000 do you think we can figure this 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:35.000 out as individuals no I go 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:37.000 back to that long quote I made you 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:40.000 made you read which is it is too 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.000 complicated for us to wrestle 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:46.000 situations and really money is 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:47.000 what is going to drive things 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:48.000 it's going to drive investment 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.000 it's going to drive consumer 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:53.000 decisions and so forth so now I 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:54.000 want to give you some good some 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.000 good news so you might think 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:56.000 oh my god it's so complicated 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.000 there's no hope well remember when 00:15:58.000 --> 00:15:60.000 I showed you that that giant 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.000 complicated national 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.000 labs thing with all the flow 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:04.000 lines and everything and on 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:06.000 the on the left side with the 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:08.000 different energy sources three 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.000 of them were fossil fuels why 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.000 deal with all that stuff when we 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.000 could just deal with the fossil fuel 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.000 so so some good news here so 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:18.000 there's an organization 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.000 called Citizen's Climate Lobby 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.000 and I actually am a member 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:24.000 I'm not advocating it or using 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.000 their slide template here this 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:27.000 is a group that believes in 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.000 a nonpartisan carbon fee and 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:30.000 dividend model I'll explain 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.000 that in a moment this is -- 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.000 thousands of people on the 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:37.000 steps next to the US Capitol 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:38.000 I'm right there can 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.000 you see me right there -- 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:43.000 last June these are everyone 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:44.000 of these people paid their 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:45.000 on their own dime to fly to 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.000 DC to lobby this organization 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:50.000 is really what generated this 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:53.000 House bill that's supported by 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:54.000 over eighty US reps 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.000 everywhere we write letters and 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:60.000 and and call legislators and 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:01.000 all this kind of stuff we had 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:03.000 fifteen hundred people in DC 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.000 so here's -- one of my lobbying 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.000 teams here this great group of 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.000 people from around Oregon and 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.000 we prepare we study we learn 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:14.000 about a legislator and then we 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.000 go and we knock on their door 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.000 hoping to get eleven minutes 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:20.000 of time with them and so you 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.000 practice what you're gonna say 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.000 what words are you gonna use 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:27.000 this is Peter DeFazio's office 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:29.000 right there and so a great group of 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:31.000 people and everyone there really 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:34.000 a lot of positive energy so a 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.000 great organization so what is 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:40.000 HR 763 at the 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:45.000 simplest level it is a proposal 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:47.000 that you're gonna be amazed 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:48.000 this is so simple this is the 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.000 comprehensible part of it when 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.000 we when we pull fossil fuel 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:55.000 out of the ground whether it's coal 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:58.000 gas or petroleum we already 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:59.000 keep a track of that that's 00:17:59.000 --> 00:17:61.000 already logged and metered 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:02.000 we know how much is coming 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:08.000 up so we charge a fee there 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:09.000 based on what we think we 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:13.000 need for people to gradually 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:18.000 and predictably adapt okay 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:20.000 charge that fee I avoid the 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:25.000 word tax tax is loaded fee that 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:31.000 goes directly back to you 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:35.000 all this money goes directly 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.000 to you and then you're gonna 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.000 say well what's the point 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:40.000 these people are gonna pass 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:46.000 their costs on to me right so 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:50.000 if I charge a fee on petroleum 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:52.000 understandably by the way if I'm 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:54.000 an oil company I'm doing my 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:58.000 best understandably I have a fiduciary 00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:59.000 responsibility to make 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.000 going to pass those costs on 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.000 so why does anyone have an 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:09.000 idea of why this would help 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:10.000 if it just makes your 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:16.000 gas go up say anybody 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:17.000 what's that you're gonna wanna stop 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.000 buying gas -- you're gonna 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:20.000 want to stop -- buying 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:24.000 gas great what what other 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:27.000 things might happen that 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.000 is the most succinct answer 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:32.000 it'll influence them to change -- 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.000 how they get their power or how 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:38.000 they how they produce power -- right 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.000 it'll it'll influence energy 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.000 sources right so you might 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.000 stop buying gas well sometimes 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.000 you can't stop buying gas you 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:47.000 might be a car company that 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:51.000 says I'm gonna put more money 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:52.000 into high fuel efficiency 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.000 vehicles because I know that 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:57.000 Ray Dandeneau is gonna want 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:58.000 to buy a high efficiency 00:19:58.000 --> 00:19:59.000 vehicle six months six years 00:19:59.000 --> 00:19:61.000 from now right I better get 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.000 going on that any other what 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.000 other good things might happen 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.000 yeah it could be -- households 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.000 could use it as an investment 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.000 fund yes yep yeah you can 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.000 use that as an investment to say 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:15.000 oh you know energy costs are 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:16.000 gonna go up gradually I'm gonna 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:17.000 insulate my home put on a 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:21.000 new roof whatever it might be 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:22.000 stop making so many 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.000 things out of plastic 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.000 stop making things -- so many 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.000 things out of plastic that's 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:28.000 a good one because a lot of 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.000 you know a lot of plastics are a 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:31.000 byproduct of the petroleum 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:34.000 industry and so gets and 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.000 the reason you stop is why 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:40.000 yeah so engineers like me would 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.000 get so excited like oh how can 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:43.000 I make a yogurt container made 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.000 frankly out of non wood fibers 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:48.000 and replace the plastic product 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.000 and have it be competitive so 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.000 then then imagine let's say 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:57.000 let's say I've got two groups 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.000 of kids on the corner just making 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:62.000 or selling lemonade one had 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.000 their lemons came from 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:07.000 Venezuela okay the other 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:09.000 one their lemons were grown in 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:11.000 their garden whose lemon is 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:14.000 going to become more expensive 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.000 Venezuela 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.000 why why Dr. Van Steeter 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.000 transport costs 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:21.000 suddenly fossil fuels aren't 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:23.000 free anymore and so people 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:25.000 that have products that come 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:27.000 are shipped long distances like 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.000 in my industry we ship stuff 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:30.000 thousands of miles because we 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.000 can we have to compete we don't 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:34.000 we can't just say oh that's 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:35.000 environmentally friendly just shut 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.000 it down and just send everyone 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:38.000 home and they can't pay their 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:39.000 mortgages I'll tell you what 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:41.000 happens with that you get political 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:44.000 turmoil you know so there's all 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.000 this stuff cool stuff happens 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:50.000 when we do this now here's 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.000 a cool socioeconomic aspect 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:56.000 of this that people that are 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:58.000 higher on the socioeconomic 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:62.000 ladder use a lot more carbon 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:06.000 no big surprise right so so 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.000 this is a this shows quintiles 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.000 you guys know what quintiles 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.000 are best fit so this is the 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:14.000 the I hate to say the word lowest but 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.000 people with the -- the 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:17.000 the I'll just say it I don't mean 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.000 it in a negative way the lowest 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:20.000 twenty percent of the socioeconomic 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:22.000 level that's the 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:24.000 first quintile all the way 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:27.000 up to here quintile five so 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:29.000 so what's interesting is if 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:31.000 you look at how much money 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.000 people get back compared to how 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:35.000 much their cost of living goes 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:38.000 up what's really exciting is 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:40.000 that people on the lower even 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.000 though everyone gets the same 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:44.000 amount under this proposal that 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.000 people at lower on the socioeconomic 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:48.000 level about ninety percent 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:50.000 of them have more money come 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.000 in than they than their cost of 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.000 living goes up and they get 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:56.000 it you know to the gentleman's 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.000 point they get it in a lump sum 00:22:58.000 --> 00:22:59.000 so they can be more strategic 00:22:59.000 --> 00:22:60.000 like I should really put 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.000 this money down for a higher 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:04.000 efficiency vehicle they can 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.000 be more strategic so so that's 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.000 really exciting for me now 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:10.000 in addition there's improved 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:11.000 air quality because gradually 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:13.000 we stop you know reduce very 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:15.000 gradually and predictably reduce 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.000 the use of fossil fuels and 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:18.000 then we get this job creation 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.000 piece now job creation what 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.000 why do we create jobs anyone 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:24.000 before I go into that any 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.000 idea why we create jobs if 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.000 we had a predictable price 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:31.000 on carbon why would we get 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:35.000 jobs construction of the resources 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:37.000 construction of new resources 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:40.000 good more money in the pockets 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.000 of people who will spend it on various 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.000 items good more money to people 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.000 right people come back that's 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:48.000 that's a good one so like 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:49.000 you maybe like food service 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:50.000 industry and things like that 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:55.000 all balanced by price on carbon 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.000 more jobs -- 00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:58.000 more jobs in what 00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:60.000 more jobs creating items 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:02.000 like like you're doing 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:03.000 out of the hemp and 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.000 the renewable resources yeah 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:07.000 that's excellent so what she 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.000 said is more jobs in the area 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:11.000 of product development with 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:12.000 renewable and sustainable 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.000 technologies that's exactly 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.000 right not only that but 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:18.000 companies are going to bend 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:20.000 over backwards to finance that 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:21.000 and say okay like who in this 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.000 audience right here has a 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:24.000 technical interest and wants 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.000 to work on you know what what 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.000 whatever might be electronic 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.000 soil science that fits in well 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.000 with adaptation they're 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:35.000 going to get jobs and so now 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:36.000 how about the emissions piece 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:40.000 let's look at that so on the 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.000 left is the -- percent of 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:44.000 greenhouse emissions relative 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.000 to 1990 I 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.000 think it is and then year from 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.000 so with this act this is what 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.000 you might say -- what how can 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.000 you predict a reduction of CO2 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:61.000 we rely on very detailed 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:02.000 economic models like this 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.000 these reports I try to read 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:05.000 them pretend like I understand 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:06.000 they're like a hundred and fifty 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.000 pages long and these people are 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.000 spectacular statistics analyses 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:13.000 databases like everything 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:14.000 from your backpack to your 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:16.000 your water bottle the piece of 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.000 paper it's like those have established 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.000 carbon footprints people 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.000 calculate that stuff all right 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:25.000 and so we say okay and then we 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:26.000 know how they'll respond 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.000 to pricing differences so if I 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:30.000 have milk that shipped from 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.000 New Hampshire and the price goes up 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.000 to reflect the carbon footprint 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.000 of that we can -- reasonably 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.000 well we can model how that'll 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:39.000 change people's buying 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:41.000 decisions that's how this 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:44.000 comes about now it's wrong 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.000 like every model it's wrong 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.000 right everyone knows that right 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.000 every model is wrong it's a 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.000 great place to get started and 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.000 then you tune it as you go along 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:54.000 so if you compare this to the 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:57.000 the defund Clean Power Plan 00:25:59.000 --> 00:25:60.000 we don't need to talk about 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.000 that right America does this 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.000 we're leading because by the 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:06.000 way one of the things I don't 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.000 I'm not gonna talk about is 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.000 is trade -- corrections across 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:11.000 borders so border corrections 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.000 because if you want to send my 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.000 my little mouse control across 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.000 the border I know that this got 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:19.000 whatever six point eight pounds 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.000 of carbon in it and they'll 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.000 have a fee charge on that so 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.000 then the company that Ray and 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:28.000 Phil start in Corvallis Oregon 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.000 suddenly can compete and we're 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.000 gonna get investment for that 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:35.000 all right so that's the job 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:38.000 creation piece -- now here's a 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.000 here's a prediction of this is 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.000 dated information this is from 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.000 a model from four years ago but 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.000 it's what we have now but it's 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.000 predicting that and this is in 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.000 thousands so that millions of 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:54.000 jobs will be created because 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.000 of the innovation and new 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.000 business opportunities and a 00:26:58.000 --> 00:26:59.000 lot of those by the way 00:26:59.000 --> 00:26:60.000 petroleum companies are gonna 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.000 take advantage of that they're 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.000 already starting you know 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:04.000 British petroleum's 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.000 like God thank you for giving 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:07.000 me that data to share with you 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.000 guys right and they're publishing 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:10.000 data they've got a renewable 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.000 energy segment this we get this 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:14.000 across and by the way they're 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:17.000 also supporters of fair carbon 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:18.000 price and they need to keep 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:20.000 their business alive so so you 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:21.000 know I really feel like we're 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.000 all in this together and this 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:27.000 part's really exciting for me so -- 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.000 I want to talk about this a 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.000 little bit more I've already 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:31.000 done this with you guys and 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.000 you've done a great job of 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.000 responding with ideas but what 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:37.000 I want you to do is is work talk 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.000 with people next to you what 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:43.000 go through and you're gonna do 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.000 some role playing and -- say 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.000 so let's say 763 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:52.000 passes it passes right and 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.000 you are an investment banker 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.000 okay talk with the investment 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.000 banker sitting next to you and 00:27:59.000 --> 00:27:62.000 discuss how you will respond 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.000 to succeed as a professional 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.000 and make sure you can put 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.000 your kids through college 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.000 okay go ahead and talk to your neighbor 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:19.000 music 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:20.000 okay great we're we're gonna 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:21.000 we're gonna have some fun 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:22.000 we're going to do about eight of 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:24.000 these you guys we're gonna do about 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.000 eight of these so put your thespian 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:29.000 hats on and get ready okay 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.000 ideas people had what are 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.000 you gonna do you're an investment 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.000 bank what are you gonna do so she 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:35.000 said we're gonna invest in 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.000 renewable energy companies 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.000 good and what are they gonna 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.000 do then with that money 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.000 expand and hire human beings 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.000 who can then buy a high 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.000 efficiency vehicle and maybe 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:50.000 buy a house send their their 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:54.000 right what other things 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.000 an investment banker 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.000 okay invest in property 00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.000 that historically have not 00:28:59.000 --> 00:28:62.000 been used that's good that's 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.000 good that's a good one yeah 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:05.000 things that are now going to 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.000 be needed for more localized 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:13.000 industry right what else 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.000 I'm gonna invest in something that's low 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.000 risk and so if I can have 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.000 some predictor of the future 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.000 having a big demand 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.000 that's what I'm going to invest in 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:24.000 well I've got a deal for you 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.000 our carbon fee starts at ten 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.000 dollars a ton and goes up ten 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:29.000 dollars a ton systematically 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:30.000 at five years we check CO2 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.000 emissions to tune the fee 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.000 so you can hang your investment 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.000 hat on that thank you Dr. Van Steeter 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:39.000 one more quick one 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.000 I wanna invest in plastics recycling 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.000 I wanna invest in plastics 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:44.000 recycling very good because 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.000 the price of plastic is going 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.000 to go up to become much more 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.000 competitive and boy you're 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:50.000 gonna find some really 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.000 enthusiastic engineers to work 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.000 to work with you on that great 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.000 idea okay now you're a manager 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.000 British Petroleum and your 00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:60.000 group has already started a 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.000 renewable energy program talk 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.000 with each other now that a 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:05.000 carbon fee and dividend is 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.000 passed what are you gonna do 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:13.000 music 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:15.000 okay BP managers what are you 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.000 gonna do you wake up the next 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.000 morning so you're gonna walk in the 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.000 board meeting and there's the people 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.000 it's like -- the cool folks 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.000 the petroleum folks natural 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.000 gas the fracking folks and then 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:31.000 there's you you're kinda hey 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.000 right I'm suddenly a little 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.000 more important now what are you 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:37.000 gonna do with that what you're gonna 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.000 do is you're gonna get more 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.000 resources they're gonna say 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:42.000 well I got right I got fifteen 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.000 engineers I'm moving your group 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.000 today I got fifteen financial 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.000 I'm moving to your group 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:54.000 today boom so all of a sudden if you 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.000 work at British Petroleum 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.000 and you're highly skilled which 00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:60.000 group do you want to be in 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.000 that one right okay 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.000 next car manufacturer 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.000 talk to each other 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:15.000 music 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.000 okay car manufacturers what 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.000 are you gonna do the next day 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.000 I would invest in electrical 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:24.000 like electrical cars -- okay 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:25.000 invest probably gonna move you're 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.000 going to divest maybe from 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.000 large inefficient vehicles and 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.000 invest in electrical vehicles my 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:33.000 wife and I are all EV and 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.000 our teenage daughters we're all 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.000 EV now believe it or not you 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.000 can survive pretty happily okay 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:43.000 a lot of naysayers out there 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.000 don't get that but good what 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.000 else are you gonna do car manufacturer 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:53.000 invest in materials for your car 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.000 that are actually renewable 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.000 like Toyota using the swatches 00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:60.000 stuff for their plastics great 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.000 so that it's actually biodegradable 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.000 and you want less items 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.000 that are feed on your vehicle 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.000 so if you don't have as big of a fee 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:13.000 for your car so God very good 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:14.000 you're seeing that cascade 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.000 effect what she said was I'm 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.000 going to take a hard look at 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.000 the materials from which I make 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.000 my car because a lot of those 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.000 to paraphrase what you said have 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.000 I need to decide between things that 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.000 have a small or larger footprint 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.000 because they're going to 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:30.000 cost more so I'm gonna make some 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.000 decisions that's the second 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:33.000 order we call second order 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.000 effect in engineering so that's 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.000 a that's a great one -- I would 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.000 add I'm also going to look at 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.000 making things lighter right 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.000 and -- and people that are 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.000 chemists material scientists 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:48.000 any chemists here -- she's the 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.000 chemist -- okay I saw another 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.000 hand up back there yes sir 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.000 look at where I manufacture 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:54.000 the car and try to put it 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.000 where it have to transport as far diesel 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.000 right I would look at where I'm 00:32:58.000 --> 00:32:60.000 manufacturing the car and the 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.000 corresponding parts to reduce 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.000 reduce my shipping costs 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:05.000 then by the way that would 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:06.000 adjust right away and you 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:07.000 would see that and you see that 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.000 opportunity and predictably 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.000 you would have time to adjust Ray 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.000 I'd start to look at battery technology 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.000 yep so battery technology 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.000 everything from what's being 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.000 done now and refining it to 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.000 long term so -- Ray 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.000 said I would invest in battery 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.000 technology and all the way down 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.000 to you know to longer term so 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.000 Tesla's batteries now they're 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.000 going to have a million mile 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.000 battery -- even the batteries 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:33.000 now -- lose after after 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:34.000 three hundred thousand miles 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:35.000 lose three percent of their 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.000 range so that's another -- 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.000 urban legend that there's a 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.000 problem with battery life you 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:42.000 know kiss that one goodbye too 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.000 but we're gonna keep investing 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.000 because the range is so -- 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.000 critical to folks okay one more 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:50.000 idea car manufacturer 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:51.000 Dr. Van Steeter 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:55.000 I think that I would try to work on 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.000 the technology of carbon fiber 00:33:58.000 --> 00:33:60.000 race cars etcetera and it's extremely 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.000 lightweight and durable so 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.000 that these cars can be light have a 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.000 long range and be inexpensive 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.000 yep so he said I'm gonna work 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:09.000 on carbon fiber technology 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:10.000 because that's associated with 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.000 materials that are strong yet 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.000 light and the technology's 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:15.000 out there but in engineering 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.000 economics there's something when 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:18.000 you have something that 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.000 sells at very low volumes 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.000 like if I was to say I'd 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:23.000 like you to build me a car 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:26.000 how much would you charge me 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.000 how much just throw out a number 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.000 say 10 million dollars 10 million 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.000 dollars that's a great guess now 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.000 if I said now if I said make 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.000 me a million cars you'd change 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:39.000 that number wouldn't you so you 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:41.000 make low numbers of something 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.000 it's really expensive so that 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:44.000 that's a great idea you start 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.000 embracing technologies the 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.000 cost drops and engineers come 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.000 flocking to make it drop even 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.000 more economists come flocking 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.000 material scientists and so 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.000 forth real estate people so 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.000 you can find a place to buy 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.000 buy land to build the carbon 00:34:59.000 --> 00:34:61.000 fiber panels for your electric car 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:02.000 great alright let's do another 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.000 one homeowner considering 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.000 insulating your attic go ahead 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:14.000 music 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:15.000 okay homeowners 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:20.000 what are you gonna do 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.000 you're considering insulating 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.000 your attic what are you gonna do 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.000 are you well let's start with 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.000 are you gonna insulate your attic 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.000 probably okay does that mean 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.000 there's more attics being 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.000 insulated yes yeah probably 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.000 right does that mean there's jobs created 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.000 there maybe I'm thinking about 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.000 starting an attic insulation 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.000 by the way it's not that 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:46.000 much fun but you know it's a 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:47.000 great thing to do do you think 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.000 I'm gonna start a company 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.000 insulating attics probably right 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:53.000 okay how about -- let's do 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.000 this one together I'm a local 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.000 farmer struggling to compete 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:57.000 with agricultural products 00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:61.000 from out of state and abroad 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:02.000 what's going to 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:07.000 happen to my business 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:08.000 go ahead and shout out your ideas 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:11.000 I'll repeat them it's gonna 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.000 flourish because you're 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.000 a lot closer now right good 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.000 and flourish means you your 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.000 business grows which means 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:21.000 you're making more which 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.000 means your costs drop and you 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.000 compete okay because you might 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:28.000 be tempted to say well everything 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.000 gets more expensive then 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.000 well no because the things 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:32.000 that are challenged by things 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.000 like shipping distance drop 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.000 and those efficiencies increase 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.000 any other farmer 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.000 but if you use a lot of petroleum based 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:44.000 pesticides and stuff like 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.000 that it's not going to be -- 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:48.000 let's say you're a PhD chemist 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.000 deciding what you're going to 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.000 study for your PhD and you're 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:52.000 highly skilled and someone 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.000 says we need a non petroleum 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.000 based insecticide do you think 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.000 he might be interested in 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.000 pursuing that so you have a 00:36:58.000 --> 00:36:59.000 great career and get paid a lot 00:36:59.000 --> 00:36:62.000 of money absolutely that's a 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.000 good one though isn't it fun see 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.000 why I'm so excited you guys sorry 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.000 did I yell at you with the microphone 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.000 okay how about this one you're a 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.000 highly skilled technologist 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.000 you've learned how to you learn 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.000 let's say you're -- you do 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.000 circuit board manufacturing 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.000 you're a soldering master 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.000 you've got to choose you're 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:28.000 the best in your class 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.000 what does that woman do does 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.000 she go into oil or renewable 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.000 energy what does she choose she 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.000 chooses renewable energy okay 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:38.000 so the most skilled people 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.000 gravitate that means those 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.000 industries will be more 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.000 coast American paper maker and 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:47.000 you're competing with mills 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.000 that are shipping paper from 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.000 New York because it costs 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.000 believe it or not less than 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.000 two hundred dollars a ton 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:60.000 isn't that crazy think of it a ton 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:03.000 of paper so is my business 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.000 gonna flourish yeah so I got a 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:06.000 little selfish interests try 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.000 to explain this to my boss 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.000 he's like well yeah I get it 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.000 I get it -- and so he's a big 00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.000 supporter now and I would not 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:14.000 have predicted that three years 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.000 ago I'll tell you because you know 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.000 and so-called environmental 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.000 movements have really you know 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:21.000 as we've wrestled with this as 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.000 society it's it's we've really 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.000 polarized each other and and 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.000 and part of my messaging is 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.000 that we're all in this together 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.000 we're -- we all rely on each 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.000 other -- to to have the wonderful 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.000 lives we have and let's keep that 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:38.000 up so is anyone anyone 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.000 interested in this stuff don't 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:41.000 worry I'm not gonna ask for money 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:42.000 or anything raise your hand if 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.000 you're interested okay raise 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.000 your hand leave your hand up 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.000 raise your hand if you're intereste 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.000 leave your hand up if you know 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.000 interested kind of that's okay 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:54.000 leave your hand up and leave 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.000 your hand up if you know how 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.000 to add contacts into your phone 00:38:59.000 --> 00:38:65.000 sweet okay here's some contacts 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.000 so I thought I'd just show you 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:11.000 guys how easy this is by just 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.000 calling my US Representative 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.000 right now 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.000 phone ringing 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.000 hi hello am I who 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:27.000 am I speaking with 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:28.000 oh yeah you're breaking up a 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.000 little bit can you hear me okay 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.000 great thank you well 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.000 and I'm concerned about the 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.000 local impact of climate on 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.000 our future economic and social 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.000 stability and I'm calling to 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.000 urge Representative DeFazio 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.000 to take action to work with 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.000 the parties on a nonpartisan 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.000 approach that's embodied in 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.000 House Resolution 763 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.000 I'm hoping you can 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:57.000 share that with him thank you 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.000 okay bye bye well 00:39:59.000 --> 00:39:64.000 that was stressful 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.000 pretty easy 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.000 where'd you get the time to do that 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.000 I know how'd I find the time amazing 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:11.000 in front of eighty people so 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:13.000 go ahead you guys take a minute 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.000 enter those into your in 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:15.000 your in your phone I'm not 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.000 gonna make you call now I'm not 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.000 I can't make you do anything 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.000 if you want to call right now 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:22.000 go ahead and keep the volume 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.000 low I'm serious enter the numbers 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.000 make a call if you want right 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:27.000 now let's do it keep the volume 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:28.000 low so they don't there's not too 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.000 much my cell signal's not 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.000 great in here we got two minutes 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:41.000 actually just use the two 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.000 minutes to enter the contacts 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.000 if you want them all right 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.000 okay so as you're wrapping up 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:48.000 putting those contacts in your 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:51.000 phone -- it matters when you 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.000 make a phone call like that and 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:54.000 it takes as you can see less 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.000 than thirty seconds you don't 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.000 need to say how you doing you know you 00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.000 don't need to you just say you guys 00:40:59.000 --> 00:40:61.000 are all important everyone's 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.000 important you don't have to be 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.000 an expert you know it's like 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.000 sure I know a lot of this stuff 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:07.000 because that's I've been talking about 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:08.000 it for awhile but you don't have 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:11.000 to all you have to you know do is 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:13.000 care and believe in doing 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.000 something positive -- and so 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:17.000 that's it so we got a couple 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:19.000 minutes left so we try 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.000 to wrap up at at -- ten till is 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.000 that the program here so we got 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.000 a couple minutes for questions yes sir 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:27.000 I just wanted to point out that our rep 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.000 here is Representative Kurt Schrader 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:30.000 could someone look up 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.000 Representative Schrader's 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.000 number please 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.000 thank you so if you're 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:39.000 interested again I'm not 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.000 here to advocate for Citizen's 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.000 Climate Llobby but if you go to 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.000 citizensclimatelobby.org 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.000 you can read everything you can 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:47.000 read the House Bill 763 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:48.000 I encourage you to at least look 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:49.000 at the first few pages it's pretty 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.000 easy to read surprising -- and 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.000 just consider that you know 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:56.000 as a starting point I -- I have 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:57.000 a full time job I'm you know I 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:58.000 squeeze this stuff in I don't 00:41:58.000 --> 00:41:60.000 offer internships in anything 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.000 but they they do have roles 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.000 like that to help yeah so the 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.000 question is asking specifically 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:05.000 about my job title which I 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.000 crafted myself so I was invited 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:09.000 to be the Director of Technology 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:10.000 and because I wanted to work 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.000 on something that I believed 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.000 in and that I could advocate 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.000 for on behalf of my company I 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.000 wanted the sustainability put 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.000 on there and it comes after 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.000 technology because I believe 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:24.000 that if you don't think and 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.000 believe in technology you can't 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.000 you can sip coffee till the 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.000 cows come home you're not gonna make 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.000 any progress on sustainability 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:32.000 and so technology can be 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:33.000 everything from herbicides 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.000 and pesticides and soil science 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.000 all the way through -- you 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.000 know but thanks for asking -- 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:40.000 I think a lot more companies 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:41.000 are doing this I reach out 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.000 to a lot of peers at my sort 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:44.000 of management level that have 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.000 sustainability in their title 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:47.000 and I'm finding a lot of people 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.000 to believe and you know not to 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.000 counter the gentleman's point 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:52.000 there but a lot of companies 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.000 are investing it and the people 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.000 I talk to believe now they 00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:58.000 need to keep their companies 00:42:58.000 --> 00:42:60.000 alive that's what we all need 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.000 to remember but they believe 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.000 they're not like oh I'm gonna 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.000 tank that Harding guy you know 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.000 he's one of those greeners no 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:09.000 it's wonderful they're like 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:11.000 oh how we gonna do this together 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:12.000 a couple a comment and a question so 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.000 the comment was that BlackRock 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.000 a large investment capital a 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.000 firm is systematically sort 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.000 of divesting that's great -- 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.000 but again I'm in the sort of 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.000 non judgmental piece I'm not 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.000 gonna tell you know these 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:26.000 young folks to deinvest from 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.000 and and sacrifice 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:29.000 their returns that's tough I 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:30.000 think it's great though you know 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:31.000 yeah you asked me to be 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.000 an investment banker 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.000 yeah yeah yeah so yeah 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:35.000 yeah so and no that's 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:36.000 that was for the case where 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:37.000 it passed but yeah their doing 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.000 it preemptively is awesome -- 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.000 and then he asked me about the 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:45.000 Oregon Bill -- so I appreciate 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.000 all efforts in sustainability 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.000 and pricing carbon however 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.000 I -- support 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.000 those but I firmly believe we 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:56.000 need to do something at a national 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.000 level because if we wait 00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:59.000 for Kentucky to figure it 00:43:59.000 --> 00:43:61.000 out Oregon to figure it out 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:02.000 Arizona to figure it out all with 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.000 their own programs their all 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.000 so so yeah so that's so I 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:13.000 support it it's great but 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:14.000 we need to we need to think 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.000 on the federal level okay 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:20.000 maybe time for one more 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:21.000 yes sir 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:25.000 so my question was for -- HR 763 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.000 how does it affect foreign resource 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.000 providers and manufacturers 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.000 yeah great idea 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.000 that's that border adjustment 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:35.000 piece where -- let's say I'm -- 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.000 let's say I'm in -- -- Thailand 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.000 and I'm shipping you a piece 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.000 of exotic hardwood right -- 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.000 I kinda strategically chose 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:46.000 that one right because it's got other 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.000 aspects to it but historically 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.000 that would be shipped at very 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:51.000 low cost -- now when it arrives 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.000 let's say your dock is in Los Angeles 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:54.000 and you get it and someone 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.000 says oh that just traveled eight 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:57.000 thousand two hundred sixty 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:61.000 two miles -- but you had to 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:02.000 pay for that but in addition 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.000 I know that this is how much 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:06.000 it took to make it so all 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.000 of those fees are gonna get 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.000 charged on that thing coming in 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:11.000 so then let's say I'm growing 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:13.000 cotton wood in my five acres 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:14.000 I don't have five acres but 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.000 like I'm growing cottonwood 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:17.000 suddenly my cottonwood's 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:18.000 got lot more competitive with 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:23.000 your hardwood from Thailand 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:24.000 okay great you guys well thanks for your 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.000 great attention engagement 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.000 and have a super afternoon 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.000 music