WEBVTT 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:07.000 hello everyone I'm Joelle 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:10.000 I just graduated this past spring 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:14.000 and -- got offered a job like 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:16.000 the day before I graduated 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:19.000 so it timed out nicely and -- 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:21.000 currently I am -- VR counselor 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:24.000 at the Grants Pass VR office -- in southern 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:29.000 Oregon -- and I actually did 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:30.000 not start studying for the 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:34.000 CRC until my internship 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:35.000 which I wouldn't say it's a 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.000 great strategy but is just 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:39.000 kind of how it panned out 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:41.000 because you know you guys know 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:42.000 it's very busy you have a lot 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:47.000 of things on your plate and I 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:48.000 just did not get around to it 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:51.000 until my internship started and 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:58.000 called like CRC Exam Prep Guide -- it's pretty 00:00:58.000 --> 00:00:59.000 standard I think it's what like 00:00:59.000 --> 00:00:63.000 everyone used -- but I actually 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.000 had the next oldest addition 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.000 like I didn't buy the newest 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.000 addition and it still worked 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:13.000 totally fine for me and I would 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:18.000 say that some of the questions 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.000 that were in the book I felt 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:23.000 like where exactly on the exam 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:24.000 so even though they're retired 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:25.000 questions I don't know that 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:28.000 they all have been retired so 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:29.000 the book is definitely really 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.000 helpful -- and what I did when 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:35.000 I studied as I studied on my 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.000 lunch breaks on my internship 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:39.000 once again wouldn't necessarily 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:40.000 recommend that because it made 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.000 my internship really stressful 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.000 notes on key words then once 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:50.000 I was finished going through 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:51.000 the whole book I did the flash 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.000 cards of the key words or 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.000 just -- anything I wanted to 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.000 remember that was important and 00:01:58.000 --> 00:01:61.000 I did refreshers on anything 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:02.000 that wasn't covered or anything 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.000 that would be updated like -- 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.000 they did DSM-4 so I had to 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.000 update myself on DSM-5 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:12.000 and also the code of ethics 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:14.000 was updated as well so I had 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.000 to update myself without the 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.000 book on those things but I 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.000 felt like the book was really 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.000 solid and give me a good basis 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.000 going into the test but I 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.000 felt like the test was still 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:31.000 really tough because of the 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.000 way that questions were asked 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.000 and I know it has a pretty 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.000 high fail rate -- so don't feel 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:41.000 bad if you do fail it they 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.000 are tricky questions they are 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:45.000 kind of designed to trip you 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.000 up and confuse you and even if 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.000 you know the material it makes 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.000 you kind of do like jumping 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.000 jacks in your mind on like 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:56.000 which one am I supposed to 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.000 answer I know I know exactly 00:02:59.000 --> 00:02:64.000 what is the right answer like 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.000 content wise I know that this 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:08.000 is what I'm supposed to say but 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.000 what are they even asking -- 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:12.000 that's what I struggled with 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:16.000 the most and I would say that 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.000 I wish I had taken a break 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:20.000 in the middle of the exam to 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.000 clear my head -- because I 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.000 think it would have helped 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.000 me just like go back with a 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:30.000 refreshed mind -- I still passed 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.000 so it was fine -- but I think 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:36.000 that is really a good strategy 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.000 during the test is to take 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:41.000 a moment get out of the room 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:43.000 get away from the computer and 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:44.000 it doesn't have to be a long 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.000 break it's not gonna you know 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:47.000 necessarily be the difference 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.000 between you finishing the exam 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.000 you make those decisions on 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:58.000 those tough questions so 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:59.000 I feel like that's about all I 00:03:59.000 --> 00:03:61.000 have to say about the CRC 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.000 does anyone have any questions 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:06.000 someone asked if I took the NCE 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:09.000 I did not take the NCE 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.000 I was going into voc rehab 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.000 and I didn't necessarily see 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.000 a use for me taking it so 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.000 the question was are you able 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:19.000 to go back and review the 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:20.000 questions while you're taking 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.000 the test -- yes you are and 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:24.000 actually found a very user 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.000 friendly like you could slide 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:29.000 questions you could -- there 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:30.000 were lots of different tools 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.000 you could do you could put 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.000 like a guess in and things like 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.000 that so I did that a lot I if 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:37.000 I was stumped on a question 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.000 I would just go back to it -- 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:43.000 so you're not like once you 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:44.000 put an answer you don't have 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.000 to keep going yeah 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.000 the question was how long it took me to take 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:54.000 the test I ahh maybe two and a half hours 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.000 but once again wish 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.000 I had taken a break because 00:04:58.000 --> 00:04:61.000 I had plenty of time -- and I 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.000 think those questions I really 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:05.000 like agonized over like what's 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:07.000 the right answer if I had just 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.000 left the room walked around 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.000 for a minute or two I would've 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:12.000 come back potentially with a 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:13.000 clearer mind and then like oh 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:17.000 duh you know -- so especially 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.000 if you're ahead on time take 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.000 a break -- it's gonna help 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:23.000 is there a certain amount of 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:25.000 time you can leave the room 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.000 like a certain amount of I was 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.000 not told that at my site they 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:32.000 didn't say there's a limit on 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:34.000 breaks at all they just said 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:35.000 if you need a break raise your 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:36.000 hand and they'll come get you 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:41.000 so I don't think so it might 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.000 depend on the site I took mine 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.000 in Eugene because I was doing 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:46.000 my internship in Corvallis out 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:50.000 it was the closest for me -- 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.000 there there are multiple sites 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:54.000 and definitely there's like a 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.000 time there's a window when it 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.000 opens to register -- and so it 00:05:59.000 --> 00:05:61.000 definitely helped to register 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.000 early or else you number one 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.000 get a bad time slot I made 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:07.000 her mind was in the afternoon 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:08.000 because I do not function well 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.000 in the morning so if you -- get 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.000 on as soon as they let you know 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:15.000 that it's open to register then 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:16.000 you can get the place you want 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:17.000 at the time you want and then 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:19.000 you should have no issues how much 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:20.000 of what I learned in classes 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.000 was helpful for the test and 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:31.000 I think a lot of it -- I think 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:33.000 stuff like theories was really 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:37.000 helpful -- stuff just about 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:39.000 the rehab process was really 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:43.000 helpful -- and then there's 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:44.000 definitely some things that 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.000 you are not taught and you do 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.000 have to supplement yourself 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:51.000 that are like specifics of 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:56.000 history or the structure -- 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:57.000 and there were some things I 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:58.000 was like completely lost on 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:61.000 which I think was employer 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.000 and engagement there's a 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:04.000 whole section on that that 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:05.000 I didn't really know how to 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:06.000 study for didn't study well 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:11.000 for I can't remember exactly the 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:15.000 like do you remember it's it's like 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.000 it's in the apartment employer 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:21.000 engagement something like that 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:22.000 yeah something like that 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.000 something like that yeah -- 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.000 it's really tough I don't feel 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:27.000 like it's taught in the program 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:29.000 like when I went through and 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.000 it's not really in the book 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.000 so it's something that I found 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:33.000 really hard any questions that 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.000 come up around that I was like 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:37.000 I don't know where you're talking 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:41.000 questions like that luckily for 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.000 me so if a lot of the questions 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.000 were really -- like nitty 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.000 gritty details on like dates 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:52.000 and stuff I would say no but 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:53.000 once again you never know what 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.000 the test is going to be when 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.000 you take it but I didn't feel 00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:59.000 like they were nitty gritty I 00:07:59.000 --> 00:07:61.000 felt like they were more broad 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.000 you'll hear very very different 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.000 things from people about the CRC 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.000 some people found it like super 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.000 super hard and couldn't pass 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.000 it and needed to take it a second 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.000 time and some people were like 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.000 that's the easiest test I've 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.000 ever taken in my life and so 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.000 I found it personally like 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.000 I didn't know what level to 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:22.000 prepare for because I heard 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:27.000 both -- and I found it not 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:31.000 hard content wise but very hard 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.000 comprehension wise I guess 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.000 did I study any other times 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:36.000 besides my lunch break during 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.000 my internship no I carved out the 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.000 time -- so that I didn't have 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:44.000 to do it like already I felt 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:45.000 like I was a long day and I 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:46.000 wanted to like just when I went 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:47.000 home like not even think about 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:49.000 it so I carved out the time 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:50.000 during my internship and they 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.000 were actually my supervisor 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.000 was fantastic about if you're 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:56.000 sitting around you don't have 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.000 anything to do you can just 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.000 study for the CRC we 00:08:59.000 --> 00:08:61.000 don't care -- and in the first 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:02.000 couple weeks there was a lot 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:03.000 of that like I was just going 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.000 through files so I was like 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.000 well I can just study now -- 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:10.000 so I probably got more than 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:13.000 an hour a day in my internship 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:14.000 and if your internship is 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.000 not allowing that then that's 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:17.000 where it's kind of tough and 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:18.000 you have to take more time 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:24.000 outside but near the end like 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.000 close like maybe a week or two 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:27.000 before this CRC I would 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:29.000 say I studied an additional 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:35.000 probably half hour outside of the internship 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.000 where the questions randomized 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.000 or did you know what section there 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.000 from they were randomized which 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:42.000 sometimes did definitely make 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:45.000 it harder because you're like 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:46.000 I don't know what you're asking 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.000 about -- and that's where it 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.000 is nice if you have no clue 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:53.000 what is asking about you can 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:54.000 go through the whole test and 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:55.000 you'll get hints from other 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.000 questions -- and that actually 00:09:58.000 --> 00:09:61.000 did help a lot cuz some I was like 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:02.000 what even is that word and 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:04.000 then another question told me 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:06.000 what that word was so yeah 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:07.000 the question was if you're allowed 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:10.000 to bring in pen and paper they 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.000 gave me a pen and paper so I 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:13.000 didn't even have an option I 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:15.000 didn't use it at all but they 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:16.000 gave me a pen and paper 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.000 how'd I practice self care while I 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.000 was prepping for the CRC -- 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.000 I think I could have definitely 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:27.000 done a better job -- but I did 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:30.000 do my best to just -- carve it 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.000 into my workday so that I could 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.000 do self care when I went home 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.000 and just like kind of create 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:39.000 some separation and also keep 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:40.000 reminding myself everything 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.000 I'm learning in my internship 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:46.000 is preparing me too so that's a lot 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:53.000 of knowledge there -- and 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:56.000 I think when you're going 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:60.000 to remind yourself that 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:03.000 you like like right before 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.000 the few the first like the 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.000 few days before I didn't study 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.000 at all -- I just relaxed I 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.000 slept I you know I really like 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.000 took that break because like 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:17.000 no amount of cramming right 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.000 before it was going to get 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.000 me more prepared so I just 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.000 relaxed and I went into the 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.000 test really relaxed and I think 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.000 that did help me kind of just 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:27.000 focus on the questions 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:28.000 how would I do differently if I 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.000 could go back and change it 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:32.000 I think I would have consulted 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:34.000 different sources to kind of 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:37.000 get different information -- I 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:38.000 definitely would have started 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:40.000 probably a full term earlier 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:45.000 and do you like ten to fifteen 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.000 minutes a day you know like 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:49.000 it really makes the difference 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.000 the reputation rather than the 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:54.000 big like three hours where you 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:55.000 kind of try and put everything 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:58.000 at once like I would try and 00:11:58.000 --> 00:11:60.000 get multiple books and read 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:01.000 multiple books just to kind 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.000 of compare -- so I'd probably 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.000 try to get the newer addition 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:06.000 but just read it like maybe 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.000 ten minutes before I go to bed 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:10.000 or something like that -- and 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:11.000 that probably would've been 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.000 doable when I was in this term 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.000 so I didn't do it -- yeah I definitely 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:21.000 think starting earlier would 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:23.000 have made it feel way less 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:24.000 overwhelming then especially 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.000 when I was taking on everything 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.000 at my internship so I got my 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:29.000 job offer actually literally 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.000 the day before graduation -- 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:34.000 but I was doing interviews 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.000 during my internship and all 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:37.000 of those interviews I went into 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:40.000 saying I've already passed the CRC 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.000 so at that point I didn't 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.000 have my degree yet so I didn't 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.000 technically have my CRC 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:48.000 but I could tell everyone 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:49.000 I've passed it I'm good to 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:53.000 go -- so that is definitely 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:59.000 although lots of VRC's 00:12:59.000 --> 00:12:61.000 hired without their CRC 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:02.000 so it really is not the end 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:05.000 pass it -- but it definitely 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.000 especially when you're -- when 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:09.000 you're interviewing as someone 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.000 who isn't graduated you're not 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:16.000 there yet it's helpful to say I 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:19.000 have a CRC kind of huh 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:22.000 you can't say I have the CRC 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:23.000 but you can say I passed the 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.000 exam already so yeah 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:29.000 is there any advice I got from people 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:33.000 that I wish I had taken -- you 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.000 know I don't know that I really 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.000 got much advice from people 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:40.000 I feel like mostly I got a lot 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:41.000 of people think oh it's easy 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.000 you'll be fine and I got other 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.000 people being like it's so hard 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:47.000 you'll never pass it oh my gosh 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.000 and so I don't know that anyone 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:51.000 was really like you should do 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:55.000 this -- unfortunately because 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:56.000 they probably would have been 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.000 really helpful I did have some 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:59.000 people at my internship give me 00:13:59.000 --> 00:13:61.000 specific things to study and I 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:02.000 think that's a great thing if 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.000 you are in VR site -- ask 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.000 around say what did you have 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:09.000 trouble with on the CRC 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.000 do you have any resources that 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:16.000 me learn about that -- because 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.000 you know they're in the field 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.000 they know and they also have 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.000 gathered a lot of resources by now so 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:23.000 what were the most 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:27.000 difficult subjects definitely 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:28.000 I can't remember it I feel 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:29.000 like it's like employer side 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:32.000 engagement something like that 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:37.000 that we I feel like don't talk 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:38.000 about as much in the program 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.000 and just was not hit on in the 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:43.000 book and so there were certain 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:44.000 terms in those questions that 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.000 I just did not ever hear and 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.000 you don't hear in the field so 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:51.000 I didn't number one didn't feel 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:54.000 like it was relevant to actual 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:55.000 real life practice and number 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.000 two I didn't hear it here so 00:14:58.000 --> 00:14:61.000 I was like felt pretty lost 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:05.000 in that section -- but most 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:06.000 of the sections I felt like oh 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.000 yeah this is serious I've got this 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:09.000 or you know I felt some sort 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.000 of familiarity with it 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.000 what was employers side engagement mean 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:15.000 I think it's talking about 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:17.000 because there is like in my job 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.000 title right now it's talking 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:20.000 there is like a portion of it 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:23.000 that's like you're supposed to 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.000 be job developing the problem 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:28.000 as pretty much no VRC has 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.000 time for that -- in theory 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:32.000 if you had a small caseload 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:34.000 that would be great -- if my 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.000 caseload stays small maybe 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:37.000 I'll get to job develop that would be 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:38.000 really fun I actually really 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.000 like it -- so it'll ask you 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.000 questions that to me seemed 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.000 kind of about job development but 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.000 also about the -- I don't 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:48.000 know I don't know if they're 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.000 about I still don't know -- 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.000 sorry wish I had the answers 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:60.000 touching on the fact that 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.000 yeah that we have we have some 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.000 responsibility as VR counselors 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:06.000 to job develop when you get 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:07.000 your final results do they tell 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.000 you which ones were scored and 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.000 which ones were practice or 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.000 you know the other ones -- no 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:15.000 and they also don't tell you 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:16.000 what you got wrong what you 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:18.000 got right so they don't really 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.000 give you anything except pass 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.000 or fail or pass or no pass 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:24.000 whatever so unfortunately I 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.000 was frustrated with that too I was like 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:27.000 I want to know I want to know 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.000 what the simpler thing is but 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:32.000 I never got any answers -- 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.000 so yeah they don't tell you anything 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.000 what kind of test taker am I 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.000 do I find easier or hard 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:39.000 I find multiple choice 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.000 tests incredibly easy always 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:43.000 have had a really really easy 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.000 time with it like SAT's is 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.000 like is it for me not bragging 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:51.000 just saying -- so I expected 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:53.000 it to be easier than it was 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:55.000 in terms of just the way the 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.000 questions were phrased like 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.000 way too confusing and I know I 00:16:59.000 --> 00:16:62.000 had there's a counselor in -- 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.000 the Corvallis office who english 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:05.000 as her second language 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:06.000 really really struggled 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.000 with it because it's all 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.000 about it's more testing your 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:11.000 comprehension of english than 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.000 your knowledge and I find it 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.000 really frustrating and I wish 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:16.000 it was not like that because 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.000 it's really not testing your 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:22.000 knowledge -- which I think not 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.000 here to make an issue I'm just saying 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.000 that was my personal experience 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:27.000 with the test so the question 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:29.000 was like basically how much 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:31.000 statistics is involved I would 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:32.000 say that you're not gonna have 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.000 to do any math but you're 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.000 you're gonna have to be familiar 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.000 with normal curves things like 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:43.000 that you're not gonna have to 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.000 actually calculate anything 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:49.000 with the basic things because 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:50.000 there are questions in there about it 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:52.000 their products if I felt going 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:53.000 back to the textbooks would be 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:54.000 useful or if the prep book 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.000 was enough I feel the prep book 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:58.000 is really good at helping you 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:61.000 zero in on what is important 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:02.000 and what is not and you've just 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.000 learned so much in a textbook 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:06.000 that I feel like sometimes 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.000 it is overwhelming to go back 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:12.000 to and I would personally for 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.000 my own brain I work better 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:19.000 with the prep book -- yeah 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:21.000 but that's not to say that I 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:22.000 wouldn't use a textbook because 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:23.000 if there's a certain thing 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:25.000 I want to study then I would 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.000 definitely go back to the 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.000 textbook like say oh it 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:28.000 left out this or I'm really unfamiliar 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.000 familiar with this then go 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.000 back to the textbook but I 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.000 wouldn't study directly from the textbook 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:36.000 definitely you neeed 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.000 to know mental health theories and that's 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.000 to say there could be lots of 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.000 questions about your vocational 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.000 therories and there could not 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:46.000 I just don't remember 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:49.000 did I do an oral presentation for my final 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.000 portfolio thing in the program 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:55.000 and the way that I prepared 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:61.000 was -- all of the little 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.000 rubik's everything you have 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.000 to hit is one of the classes 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.000 you've taken so I would go back 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:08.000 to the class and create like 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:12.000 a cheat sheet so -- sometimes 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.000 the cheat sheet is a resource 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:15.000 you were given in the class -- 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:16.000 like sometimes I'll give you 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.000 a really neat hand out of all 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:19.000 the things you need to know all 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:20.000 the like functional limitations 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:25.000 or something like that -- or 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.000 you know depends on the class 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:31.000 really but -- certain certain 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:32.000 ones like your theory and you 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.000 just need to know your theory 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:35.000 and then you just have to 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.000 apply it to someone but I went 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:39.000 through every single class and 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:41.000 basically made -- I put on a thumb 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:44.000 drive so I had -- folder for 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:47.000 each class and I made a master 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:50.000 powerpoint -- that had a slide 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.000 already ready auto populated -- 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.000 like my theory and everything 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:57.000 I could so I have to type the 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:60.000 least amount as possible and 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.000 then I did prep and this was 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:04.000 I think the most helpful thing 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:06.000 that I did was I prepared using 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.000 scenarios and I gave myself 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:10.000 only thirty minutes to prepare 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:11.000 and then I still had to get a 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:13.000 forty five minute presentation 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:15.000 so I gave myself a much shorter 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.000 time period to prepare when I 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:20.000 was doing the like practice 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:22.000 so when I went in to do it 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.000 sometimes I give myself forty 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:25.000 five minutes it just depended 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.000 but when I went in to actually 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:28.000 do the real thing it felt 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.000 like so chill like really relaxed 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.000 because I feel like I had so 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.000 much time and I went back over 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.000 things I added detail and I was like 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:38.000 just sitting there looking at 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:39.000 the clock because I was used 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:41.000 to doing it in like half the time 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:45.000 so I think that doing that 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.000 took a lot of the stress away 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.000 from doing the oral comp and 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.000 I would definitely recommend 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:57.000 when you're practicing -- give 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.000 yourself less time than you 00:20:59.000 --> 00:20:61.000 get in a real life scenario 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:05.000 I would say it's it's everything 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:06.000 that you've learned in the whole 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:08.000 program so it's not it doesn't 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:10.000 take much prep it should feel 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:14.000 pretty natural should feel like 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.000 for me personally I felt like 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:19.000 took this class you know all 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.000 of it for me personally flowed 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.000 really nicely and easily -- 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:26.000 and when I was creating all 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.000 the cheat sheets I was like I know 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:29.000 this stuff you know I could 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.000 just write it and a word 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:33.000 document everything I learned 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.000 and everything I knew -- and 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:39.000 I think probably you guys 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:40.000 will be able to do the same 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.000 because you've been in this 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:43.000 program you've learned a lot 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:44.000 and this is just opportunity 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.000 to show that she's asking 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:48.000 for more details about the 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:56.000 oral comp okay -- so it is 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:58.000 it can be either one that you make 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:62.000 it so I did I've been pretty 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:03.000 much like VR all the way 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.000 and so it's been when I went 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.000 into it I addressed it from 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.000 that angle but you're still 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:13.000 addressing all the mental health 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:16.000 concerns and my view of the VR 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:18.000 is really holistic and 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:19.000 addresses those anyway so 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:21.000 it worked really well with me 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:24.000 mental health perspective it 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:26.000 might be a little bit tougher 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:28.000 because you may not typically 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:30.000 address all of those VR 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.000 perspectives but you have to 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:35.000 in the presentation -- that's 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:36.000 not to say that it can't be 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.000 done it totally can be done -- 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:40.000 and it's good things for you to 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:41.000 be thinking about as a mental 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:49.000 health counselor anyway -- but it 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.000 is like an opportunity to show 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.000 what you've learned throughout 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.000 the program and you have an 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.000 hour to prep and then you go 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:58.000 forty five minute presentation 00:22:58.000 --> 00:22:59.000 unless they've changed things 00:22:59.000 --> 00:22:62.000 but the thing that I think is 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:04.000 a little bit hard is there's 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.000 like thirteen things you 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:07.000 have to hit on it's 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:08.000 I think almost pretty much 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:10.000 every class you've taken so you 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.000 do really have to be fast and 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.000 efficient -- like spend like 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:17.000 two minutes on each thing while 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:23.000 you're prepping -- and then -- 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:24.000 time yourself too while you're 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:25.000 presenting that you're not 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:28.000 spending ten minutes on one and 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:29.000 thirty seconds on another 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:31.000 the question was you know thirteen 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:32.000 things yes they'll give it 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:34.000 to you and it makes it really 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:35.000 easy to prepare because that's 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:36.000 exactly what I plugged into my 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:38.000 powerpoint was okay this slide 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:40.000 and hitting on one of thirteen two 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:41.000 of thirteen three of thirteen 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:42.000 you know I made a slide for each 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:47.000 one -- so I think at they do 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:48.000 set you up well to let let you 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:49.000 know exactly what you're being 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:51.000 graded on exactly what you have 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.000 to hit in the head section so 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.000 they'll say you know theories 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.000 including how you're gonna 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.000 apply it and this and this and 00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.000 this so they'll say this is 00:23:59.000 --> 00:23:60.000 your overall section and here's 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:02.000 what you need to hit -- so I 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:05.000 did exactly like that overall 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:06.000 here's my bullet points here's 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.000 I'm applying on this one blah blah blah 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:14.000 plenty of it's open ended in a 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.000 good way like it's not too much 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.000 structure but they let you know 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.000 what you're supposed to have 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:20.000 do you get those in advance 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:21.000 or do you get when you walk 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.000 in so you get all the thirteen 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:25.000 things and usually people come 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:27.000 in with their powerpoint ready 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.000 and you get the case study 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.000 when you walk in so you have 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.000 to read it analyze it put 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:34.000 it in your powerpoint come up with 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.000 case conceptualization and then 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:38.000 present for forty five minutes 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.000 so basically she was saying 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:41.000 you have like a skeleton powerpoint 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:42.000 and then you fill it in 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:43.000 when you get the case study 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:45.000 and I would say make it kind of 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.000 the meaty skeleton so you know 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:50.000 your theory fill in your theory 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.000 know all of your theories your 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.000 your group theory your 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.000 know your vocational theory 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:61.000 fill in as much as possible -- 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:04.000 and just make it as easy 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:05.000 on yourself as possible so 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:06.000 you don't have to sit there 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:10.000 thinking like -- -- what 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.000 what are even the functional 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:13.000 limitations I can't member 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:14.000 the six because I'm under 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.000 a lot of stress and there's 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.000 time pressure -- give yourself 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:18.000 cheat sheets for all those 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.000 little things along the way 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:28.000 you can -- you can bring 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:29.000 everything you can bring 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:31.000 books you can bring your 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.000 own materials and I did all 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:35.000 electronically because I didn't 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:36.000 want to bring a bunch of stuff 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.000 but yeah you can bring materials 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:39.000 the question was do you prep 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.000 in front of your judges -- 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.000 no so what I just went and 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.000 grabbed the case study from 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:47.000 Jen then I went to the room 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:48.000 and library prepped and then they 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.000 showed up an hour later the 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:52.000 to judge yeah do you have to use 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:57.000 a powerpoint no -- but if 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:58.000 you don't do that definitely 00:25:58.000 --> 00:25:59.000 give yourself some sort of 00:25:59.000 --> 00:25:63.000 notes and structure -- but I 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.000 don't believe you have to use 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:06.000 a powerpoint it's just really 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.000 helpful to make sure you hit 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.000 all thirteen and you know many 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:11.000 of thirteen have three things 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.000 you have to hit in them so if 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:14.000 you don't do that give yourself 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.000 a form or something to make 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.000 sure you hit everything -- 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.000 other thing I would say very 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.000 important show up like thirty 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.000 minutes early to troubleshoot 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.000 for technical issues -- because 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.000 unless you already know the 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.000 library equipment really well 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.000 you're gonna need to -- like 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:32.000 probably get some new equipment 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.000 and they're gonna have to teach 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:36.000 you how to use it -- so if you 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.000 don't show up early enough for 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:38.000 that that's going to cut into 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:43.000 your actual time prepping so -- 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:44.000 that's definitely important 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.000 do you book the room -- for your 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:48.000 presentation yeah you book the 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:51.000 room so I wasn't on campus so 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.000 I just called them and said 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.000 why specifically said I need a 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.000 room with a projector and all 00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:59.000 of these things -- because if 00:26:59.000 --> 00:26:60.000 you just book any room probably 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:01.000 won't have the stuff that you 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.000 need so they'll tell you if you 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.000 talk to them which rooms have 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:06.000 a projector which ones have 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.000 all the stuff that you need -- 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:10.000 and then they're really easy 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.000 to work with you know and then 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:16.000 and if you want to save 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:18.000 the technical issues for 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.000 so you don't have on the day 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.000 of you can always going like 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.000 an earlier day and say hey can 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:23.000 you teach me how to use this room 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.000 can you show me 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:26.000 what equipment I'm gonna need 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:28.000 stuff like that that would be nice too 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:32.000 did I just use a powerpoint 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.000 or -- what equipment I 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.000 have so I assumed when I booked 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:37.000 a room with a projector it 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.000 would have a computer which 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.000 was not accurate it just had 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:41.000 a panel on the wall and I was 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.000 like what the heck do I do 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:47.000 with this -- and I was like 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.000 hello and I didn't I don't know 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:51.000 I guess it's a computer in the 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.000 wall I don't know anyway so 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.000 I'll just walk down and showed 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:57.000 the people at the library that 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:58.000 I don't know anything about 00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:62.000 anything and they -- they're 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.000 like oh will help you and so 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.000 they they they knew all the 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.000 equipment that would be needed 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.000 to hook up my laptop to that 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.000 thing and I didn't have to 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.000 do anything so that was good 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.000 because I don't the question 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:15.000 was how many people were on the 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.000 panel for me I only had two on 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:24.000 my panel -- so I had Chin and 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:29.000 Thomas so -- I purposely chose 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.000 that because I wanted the less 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:35.000 stress -- and it worked out 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.000 really well because I I think 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.000 if my supervisor had been there 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.000 I would have been very stressed 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:42.000 out and it's also just kind 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:44.000 of a different role -- kind of 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:49.000 an academic setting than a -- 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.000 you know I work setting and 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.000 it it is just different and 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.000 sometimes it's really good for 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.000 your supervisor to see how how 00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.000 good you are at the academics 00:28:59.000 --> 00:28:61.000 and to see you present -- 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:02.000 but I just try to make it 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.000 as easy on myself and my 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:04.000 supervisor as possible because 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:05.000 they have to take time out 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:09.000 of their work day to come so 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:10.000 that's not to say you guys 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.000 can't invite your supervisor I encourage you to 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:18.000 I feel like the courses prepared me for 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.000 the internship and internship 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:20.000 really prepared me for the 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.000 field every internship is 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.000 different my internship 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:29.000 really high speed jump in 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.000 you're doing the job here's your 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.000 caseload -- I mean at a good 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.000 pace and I was ready for all 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.000 that and I asked for all that 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.000 I'm not complaining about that 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.000 by any means but I know what 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.000 it's like to have a caseload 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:42.000 of a certain size I know what I 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.000 need to do to manage it so when 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.000 I started this job I didn't 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:51.000 feel overwhelmed -- so I think 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.000 in terms of internships ask 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.000 for more because they they're 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.000 typically they can be kind of 00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:58.000 depending on your supervisor 00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:60.000 they can be like -- you know to 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.000 want to put too much on you you 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.000 can always ask for more said 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.000 hey I'm ready for it you know 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.000 let let me do an intake let 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.000 me do you know whatever it is 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:10.000 that you're really interested 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.000 in doing -- they can't read 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.000 your mind and they can't know 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.000 when you're ready so it's 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.000 important to let me know thank 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.000 you guys so much for having me 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.000 applause 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.000 my name is Lizzy Harmon -- I 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.000 graduated from the program in 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:29.000 love getting to come back and 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.000 talk about the test because it 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:32.000 was an extremely nerve wracking 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:36.000 process for me I did not enjoy 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.000 it to be honest with you and I 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:39.000 like to be very honest because 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.000 the anxiety around taking the 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.000 test was -- was what what do 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.000 I expect from it so believe 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:49.000 you had a presenter just talk 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:50.000 about kind of how they studied 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:51.000 and how what their process was 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:54.000 like -- and so first I think 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:55.000 I'd like to open up do you all 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.000 have any like burning questions 00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.000 about what this test is like 00:30:59.000 --> 00:30:60.000 whether it's the CRC exam 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.000 or the NCE exam I believe 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.000 is there a difference between 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.000 studying for the NCE and the CRC 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.000 overlap at all that pretty 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:13.000 accurate -- still having 00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:14.000 not taken the NCE 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.000 I'm gonna probably say 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.000 I'm not sure my best 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.000 guess is they are gonna be different 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:24.000 sections the first being -- 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.000 rehabilitation issues I believe 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:28.000 and then counseling techniques 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.000 and theory -- and so that 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.000 the counting techniques and 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:32.000 theories will cover you're 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.000 counseling theory your group theory 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.000 that way that I think would 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.000 overlap with NCE stuff 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:40.000 and then the rehab 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.000 related issues are going to 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.000 be more specific to the field 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:46.000 of VR -- which was a challenge 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.000 for me because my internship 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.000 was with Student Success 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.000 I wasn't using that knowledge 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:54.000 very practically -- because 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.000 it is very specific to the 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.000 field itself it's how would you 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.000 VR setting and how would you 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.000 approach independent living 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:06.000 and what are the ins and 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.000 outs and intricacies of those 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.000 and I believe that also will 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.000 cover medical aspects -- and 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.000 diagnosis aspects those types 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.000 of things -- and for me the way 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.000 I approach that was actually 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:18.000 to reach out to my colleagues 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.000 that were doing internships 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.000 in VR and asking how are 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:22.000 you using this information 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.000 because this has no practical 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.000 application for me I have no 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.000 frame of reference -- and that 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.000 was really helpful because 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.000 for me examples made it a lot 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:32.000 easier if I could read the 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.000 question and remember back to 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.000 the -- yeah my friend Carly 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.000 said -- this was how they used 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.000 it in a setting that made that 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:42.000 make much more sense since 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.000 I could eliminate answers a 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.000 lot easier -- so long winded 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.000 answer to I don't believe that 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:49.000 that content will be the same 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.000 it will overlap I think in 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.000 the counseling techniques 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:53.000 and theories but not so much 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.000 on the rehab issues great question 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:57.000 what is this test like 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.000 intimidating process and I 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:02.000 believe it's for NCE 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:03.000 aswell this year CRC 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.000 this is a you know a national 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.000 exam -- so you take it in a 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.000 very specific testing facility 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.000 let you all know this off the 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:14.000 bat I had to take this test 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.000 twice -- I didn't pass it the 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.000 first time -- I was high in 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.000 my counseling theories area 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.000 of the qualification score 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.000 for the rehab aspects 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.000 and so I did take it twice -- 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.000 so the world doesn't end if 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:32.000 you have to take it twice I 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:33.000 promise you that -- I still 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.000 got the credential and I still 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:36.000 graduated and it's still been 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.000 awesome but -- testing is not 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.000 something that comes naturally 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:41.000 to me it's in their work very 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.000 hard at -- and I was very 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.000 disappointed when I didn't pass 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.000 because you do get an immediate 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.000 result at least with the CRC 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.000 you get it you take it you walk out 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.000 and then you get the paper 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.000 that says you passed or you didn't 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.000 the testing facility the first 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.000 testing facility I went to was 00:33:59.000 --> 00:33:63.000 down in Eugene -- and when you 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.000 walk in there is this like a 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.000 set of lockers there's a person 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.000 like as a receptionist person 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.000 checking you in and what test are you 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:12.000 here for -- which was a little 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.000 shocking to me says like what 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:15.000 do not know why I'm here this 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.000 is the test I'm here for -- but 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:19.000 I realize that it's a testing 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.000 facility for all types of tests 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.000 not just the specific type of 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.000 test -- which is important to 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.000 know because other folks will 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.000 be using different features 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.000 of the testing area they might 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:32.000 have headphones or they're 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:33.000 listening to something they 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.000 may be scribbling stuff down 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:36.000 that's not to say that they're 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.000 doing the exact same test as 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.000 you -- which was helpful to 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.000 know after the fact -- going 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.000 into the second round that 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:44.000 I did it because I was also 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.000 like am I supposed to be doing 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:47.000 all these things I don't know 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.000 what's going on -- so anyway 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.000 they check you in -- they 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.000 take you into another area to 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.000 see a receptionist they take 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:58.000 your -- driver's license or 00:34:58.000 --> 00:34:60.000 some form of identification 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.000 to make sure you are who you 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.000 say you are -- I was wearing 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.000 sweatshirt -- and so after 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.000 they took all my information 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.000 there also whispering this at 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.000 me because there's a testing 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.000 facility so they're whispering -- 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:14.000 which is also likely what what 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:18.000 do you do okay -- so they take 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.000 all your information you sign 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.000 something and then they pull 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.000 out like a wand like you're at 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.000 the airport and they do a wand 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.000 over and wand behind you to make 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:27.000 sure you don't have because you 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.000 can't take anything you can't 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:29.000 take a cell phone you can't 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.000 take -- water bottles you can't 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.000 take snacks you legitimately 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.000 can't take anything with you -- 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.000 which of course was wait what 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:38.000 do you mean you're separating 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.000 I need to take this test 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.000 for me it was water I needed my water 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.000 there -- and they wouldn't let me 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.000 take it so -- again I was in a 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:47.000 hooded sweatshirt so they also 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.000 have a camera that's up there 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:51.000 my hand through the pockets of 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.000 my sweatshirt and then turned 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.000 around and slip open my hood to 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.000 make sure it wasn't like they 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:57.000 really want to make sure not 00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:60.000 cheating ah so they don't they 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.000 don't want anything in there 00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.000 like well I'm already nervous 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:06.000 about taking this test and now 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.000 you've hyped me up to you think 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.000 I'm lying already from the get go 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:13.000 kind of nerve wracking and then 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.000 they take you into the testing 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.000 room which is essentially just 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.000 a set of computers in a row in 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:20.000 need there's usually if the one 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:21.000 the first facility I was at had 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.000 four rows -- and they have the 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:26.000 the cubicle guards up -- and a 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.000 camera right above you to like 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.000 be looking down on you and the 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.000 people that just checked you in 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:32.000 are monitoring that you're 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.000 not doing any form of cheating 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:36.000 so already this is a really 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.000 fun stressful experience -- and 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.000 that's what I like to share it 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:41.000 with you all because I want you 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.000 to be prepared going into it 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:46.000 information for me was out the 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.000 window at that point because 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.000 I was so stressed out in this 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.000 particular setting -- they do 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.000 give you a set of headphones 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.000 if there's audio attached to 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.000 your test which I don't believe 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.000 there is for the CRC I'm 00:36:59.000 --> 00:36:60.000 not sure about the NCE I doubt 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.000 it -- and then a set of noise 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.000 cancelling headphones so if 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:05.000 you had a need to have absolute 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.000 quiet there are the set of 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.000 noise cancelling headphones 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:09.000 that you can use which is 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:10.000 really helpful if you're in 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:11.000 a larger testing facility and 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.000 there's a lot going on it 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.000 was really nice to be able to 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.000 have the ear canceling 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:17.000 or the noise cancelling 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:21.000 headphones -- and then they 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.000 have you take a pre-test kind 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.000 of survey issue deal and then 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.000 test that takes however many 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.000 questions and how many hours 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.000 decide to leave the room for a 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:38.000 restroom break which you should 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.000 absolutely take a water break 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.000 absolutely should take -- they 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:42.000 make you go through the whole 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.000 process again so when you leave 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.000 you have to check yourself out 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:47.000 and say I'm leaving this is who 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:48.000 I am all you have is 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.000 your ID with you and then when 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:51.000 you come back they do the whole 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.000 thing over again here's your 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.000 ID here's the want here's the check 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:55.000 and then you go back in 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.000 so it's already really fun to 00:37:59.000 --> 00:37:62.000 be a part of -- so I think just 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.000 kind of preparing yourself that 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:05.000 okay this is what I'm gonna 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.000 expect walking in I think is 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.000 already going to help reduce 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.000 the anxiety level -- because 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.000 you're mentally prepared for 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:16.000 it -- also this was a specific 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.000 to me because I had a hair tie 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.000 on my wrist -- I took it off at 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.000 one point put it on the table 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:23.000 and someone like immediately 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:24.000 came and it was like nope 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:25.000 you have to either put it in your hair 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:26.000 on your wrist I was like I 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:29.000 don't understand why well 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:30.000 it could be a signal to 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.000 somebody else okay we're taking 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.000 this very seriously so it is 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:38.000 a very serious environment 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.000 that they want to make sure 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.000 that you are not cheating -- 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:44.000 in any way shape or form so I 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.000 think just having kind of that 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.000 preparation of okay this is 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.000 what I'm gonna expect walking 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.000 in -- can be really helpful to 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.000 reducing that particular level 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.000 of anxiety because the first 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:56.000 time again I told you I did 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.000 not pass it the first time 00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:60.000 and I would attribute that to 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.000 stressed out the entire time 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.000 I took it at a facility in 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.000 Portland -- and I remember 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.000 content aside being much more 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:14.000 confident walking and because 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.000 I know exactly what to expect 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.000 I knew they were gonna wand me 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:18.000 I was ready I had to drill down 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.000 I felt like I was going to the 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.000 airport I have my system -- 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.000 and so by the time I got in and 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.000 was like that didn't bother me 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.000 anymore and I knew exactly what 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.000 I was doing moving forward -- 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:33.000 in terms of content -- if you 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:34.000 don't pass it they do give you 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.000 a print out of the areas that 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.000 you didn't meet the requirement 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:39.000 on they don't do that for you 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.000 if you pass so you're just like 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.000 you pass great now it wasn't 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.000 how did I do they don't tell 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.000 you that only if you don't 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:47.000 pass it but that was actually 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.000 really helpful because I had 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.000 a breakdown of the areas that 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.000 I didn't reach a high enough 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.000 level and so those were the 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.000 through the areas I went back 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.000 and studied -- more heavily 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:60.000 the next time the first time 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.000 I took it I did not do any 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:06.000 of the -- like CRC 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:07.000 practice questions or anything 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:08.000 like that because you had 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.000 to pay a certain amount for it 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.000 the second time I did 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:15.000 even though it did cost me a 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.000 little bit of money and so I 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.000 understand financial situations 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.000 may not be appropriate for 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.000 that but -- that was really 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.000 helpful because it was in the 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:27.000 same format as the test so you 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.000 only get one question at a time 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.000 you get you know four multiple 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.000 choice answers you have 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.000 the ability to cross something out or 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.000 highlight something and so the 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.000 the practice itself through CRC 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.000 very -- accurately mirrored 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:44.000 what the test was like and that 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.000 was also extremely beneficial 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.000 for me because I could practice 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.000 that walking in prior to 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.000 that it was -- it was on paper 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:54.000 or it was somebody you know 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:56.000 verbally asking me questions 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:57.000 and because it's in a different 00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:58.000 format my brain was having 00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:60.000 a hard time matching those 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.000 things so I actually do really 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.000 highly encourage that if it's 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.000 financially feasible -- closer 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:06.000 to when you actually take the 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.000 test so it's kind of fresh in 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.000 your mind -- with the CRC 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.000 one I believe that it only 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.000 lasts for like seventy two 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.000 hours so you purchase it you 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:18.000 get a seventy two hour window 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.000 to do the practice I would say 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:21.000 closer to when you actually 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.000 take the exam -- would be 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.000 really helpful the last time 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.000 I looked it's only a set of 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:29.000 like thirty two questions and 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:30.000 even if you finish it and do 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.000 it again you're only gonna get 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:33.000 that same thirty two sets of 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.000 questions but I think it is a 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.000 pretty accurate representation 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.000 of how the questions will break 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:43.000 down -- let's see I also think 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:44.000 every single person especially 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.000 for the CRC's that's the 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.000 only one I know for the moment 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.000 test so there's like a test 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.000 bank of questions and answers 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.000 that this year CRC has and everyone gets a 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.000 different permutation of tests 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.000 so I remember talking to some 00:41:59.000 --> 00:41:61.000 of my cohort members after 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:02.000 I took the first time and 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:03.000 said like man I had a lot of 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.000 questions about independent 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:06.000 living did you have that and 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.000 you're like no I had a ton 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:08.000 of questions about theory 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.000 or something like that so 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.000 identical and so if you hear 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:14.000 somebody saying like oh yeah 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.000 I had a lot of information 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:17.000 about independent living don't 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.000 necessarily panic and start 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:20.000 studying independent living 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.000 stuff because your test may 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.000 not be the same -- what I 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.000 would suggest the CRC 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:27.000 does have a test booklet as 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.000 well and I bought the kindle 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.000 version because cheaper -- but 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.000 I went through each section 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.000 and kind of determined is this 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.000 a section I am confident on 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:40.000 that I know very well that 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.000 comes naturally to me cool 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.000 I'm gonna spend a little bit 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:44.000 of time on that but I'm gonna 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:45.000 move to the sections that I'm 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:48.000 less confident on -- and really 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.000 spend the time highlighting 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:50.000 the information and making that 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.000 information stick so -- 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.000 I would recommend that as well 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.000 as for whatever areas of that 00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.000 guide or test book that are 00:42:59.000 --> 00:42:62.000 not super relevant to either 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.000 your internship site or not 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.000 come to those would be the kind 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.000 of the areas I would spend a 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.000 lot of the time on not to say 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:11.000 you completely disregard all 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.000 the other information but if 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:14.000 that stuff is is coming easily 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.000 it would save spend the focus 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.000 time on something else so the 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:19.000 question was I didn't pass it 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.000 the first time -- how did I 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.000 recover or bounce back how much 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:24.000 time did it take me to recover 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:28.000 pretty accurate -- yes it did 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.000 I sat my car ride after called 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.000 my mom -- and my partner and 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:35.000 was like I'm a failure and all 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.000 this so for me like that's a 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.000 personal process I kind of had 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:40.000 to go through the emotion of it 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.000 and say I'm really frustrated 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.000 here's why I'm frustrated -- 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:46.000 and then once I was able to get 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.000 through that it was okay they 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:49.000 do give you another opportunity 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.000 so if you don't pass at the CRC 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.000 we'll send you a letter in 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.000 the mail typically that says 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.000 here's the next testing date 00:43:59.000 --> 00:43:60.000 a whole year they'll send you 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.000 a testing date that they'll 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.000 allow you to take it at I don't 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:04.000 believe you have to pay 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.000 the same price -- I don't know 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.000 if I even had to pay a second 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.000 price I'm trying to remember I don't 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:11.000 think so which is really nice 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:12.000 because I did not want to pay 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.000 for that test two times -- but 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:16.000 it was a three month gap so the 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.000 first time I took it in March 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:20.000 I believe the end of March and 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:21.000 then the second time I took 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.000 it was the beginning of July I 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.000 believe somewhere around there 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.000 maybe June -- so I had a full 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.000 like three and a half and it 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.000 was also I took it the second 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.000 time after I had graduated so 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:34.000 I was are you done with the 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.000 program already working my 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.000 first job -- and then took it 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.000 again -- and it was kind of 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.000 going back in and looking at 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.000 the sheet that they gave me 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:45.000 and seeing what were the areas 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.000 that I didn't do so well on 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.000 the study guide for the study 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:56.000 test again looking at the the 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.000 booklet that they encourage 00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:60.000 you to purchase as well include 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.000 as well as calling folks in 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.000 the field because that really 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:04.000 was where the challenge was 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.000 for me was I was taking a test 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:06.000 about something that I had no 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.000 practical experience in that 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:11.000 I had theoretical experience 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:12.000 an in course work 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.000 the daily -- on a day to day 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.000 basis it just it's it's every 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:20.000 place is different language 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:21.000 and different jargon you have 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:22.000 to learn a whole new language 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.000 when you start your internship 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.000 of understanding like okay 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.000 here's how I read it and view it 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.000 and here's how it's actually 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.000 being used and kind of find 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.000 that matching point -- but yes 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.000 I went through all the feels 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.000 first time I was actually quite 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.000 embarrassed -- because I'd 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:40.000 had that same message as well 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.000 as like all you're fine you'll 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.000 pass said it's totally cool -- 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.000 and so I was very embarrassed 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:47.000 that I didn't pass the first 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:48.000 time and I didn't want to tell 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:49.000 anybody in my cohort I told 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.000 one person -- and thankfully 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.000 that that person I had a really 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:54.000 good relationship and it was 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.000 normalized for me it's like 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:56.000 that was really hard test and 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.000 like totally understand it and 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:58.000 had people behind me saying 00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:60.000 you know you can still do it 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:03.000 assessment to understand do I 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.000 want to do this is it worth it 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.000 to me to do it again -- that 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.000 point already graduated I had 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.000 the degree like do I want the 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:13.000 credential -- and ultimately 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:14.000 came down to the point of I 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.000 would regret it if I didn't 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.000 I and I'm in the end I'm glad 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.000 I did it -- and and took it 00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.000 again -- both for professional 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.000 growth but also personal growth 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.000 so if you take it a second 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:27.000 time do you get tested on both 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.000 sections are just the section 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:31.000 that you didn't -- meet -- you 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:32.000 get tested on both sections 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:33.000 you do the whole test all over 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.000 again you do the full three 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:36.000 and a half hours all over again 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:39.000 it's really fun -- but again 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.000 preparing for it for me the 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.000 second time was very different 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:45.000 because even if I think even 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.000 if you know what to expect 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.000 going in it's still a stressful 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.000 experience -- knowing that you 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.000 can take it again and prepare 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.000 differently and you're kind of 00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.000 mentally in a space that says 00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.000 okay I know now what to expect 00:46:59.000 --> 00:46:61.000 I got this -- it does change 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:02.000 things but yeah you get tested 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:03.000 on all of it all over again 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.000 and I had a different test so 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:06.000 it was a completely different test 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.000 the second test was a lot 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.000 better primarily because the 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.000 information was a lot easier 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.000 for me to understand I had 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.000 far less remember independent 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:16.000 living that's not like the 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:18.000 entirety of my first test was 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.000 independent living and it just 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:21.000 went right over my head so 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.000 the second test was I got 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.000 a lot more theory questions a 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:27.000 lot more diagnosis and medical 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.000 aspects which I was much more 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.000 comfortable with so -- it does 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:32.000 also sometimes depend on the 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.000 test that you randomly get 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.000 so real fun experience 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:40.000 taking in the middle of your 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.000 internship which I did -- 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.000 because that you need I yes 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:46.000 I take it in March I was two 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.000 and a halfish months into 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:49.000 my internship and I still had 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.000 another two and a half months 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.000 after that and you know went 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:54.000 through all of the personal 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.000 efficacy of does this mean 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.000 I'm bad at my internship and 00:47:59.000 --> 00:47:61.000 doing all that fun stuff so 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.000 when I was in the program were 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.000 their two tracks VR and mental 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:08.000 health -- what was my track and 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.000 then did I have to take a class 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.000 that all during the internship 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.000 was that it okay -- yes we had both 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:18.000 tracks -- I went the VR route 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:20.000 because I was very unsure 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.000 about what I wanted to do -- 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:23.000 I kind of fell in the middle 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.000 of I don't really want to go 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.000 into traditional VR 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:28.000 and I really don't want to go 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.000 or I wasn't sure if I wanted 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.000 to go into traditional mental 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.000 health and so I landed kind 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.000 of in the middle doing what I 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:38.000 do now -- so what I do now is 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:39.000 I work with students that are 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:40.000 not in good standing with the 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.000 university so a lot of times 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.000 in having conversations with 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.000 folks about what is impacting 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:47.000 or affecting your ability to be 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.000 successful and for the majority 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:51.000 of the time it's not academic 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.000 skills it's life happening so 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:54.000 I get to use those counseling 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.000 skills but then I also get to 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.000 dip into the kind of VR focused 00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:59.000 okay what's the plan type of 00:48:59.000 --> 00:48:61.000 thing and that's a better fit 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.000 for me personally -- I kind of 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.000 took that self assessment to 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.000 understand like I don't think 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:08.000 that I have the personality 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.000 type -- definitely don't have 00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:13.000 the personality type for VR I give 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.000 those folks lots of props -- 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.000 they're doing great work -- and 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:19.000 I don't have the personality 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.000 type to sit and listen to six 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.000 therapy appointments coming 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.000 through a day -- and not really 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:29.000 suffer empathetically -- so 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.000 I'm in the middle that was my 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:35.000 track -- three parts to that 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:36.000 question -- and then the third 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.000 one was did I take a class yes 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.000 I did -- I took a I took two 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.000 actually -- I took a one credit 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.000 class so is a Friday and 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.000 Saturday it was lovely -- I 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:50.000 very much enjoyed it I use 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.000 motivational interviewing very 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:53.000 regularly in the work that I 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:57.000 do so super beneficial -- 00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.000 and then I also did check to 00:49:59.000 --> 00:49:60.000 it wasn't technically a class 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.000 was independent study -- so 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:04.000 part of my internship -- I got 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:08.000 voluntold or thrust into -- 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.000 taking ah teaching a class so 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.000 is that five or six weeks into 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.000 the winter term and there was 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:16.000 a staff member in our office 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.000 who decided to take another 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.000 job elsewhere and I believe 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.000 no one else to teach his class 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.000 it's on you six weeks into a 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.000 term I decided to take a class 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:28.000 over so I turned it into -- an 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:29.000 independent study around group 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.000 therapy and kind of structured 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:32.000 it around how I would structure 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:35.000 a group therapy -- type setting 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:38.000 and do the research for all 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:39.000 that and then the last bit of 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:40.000 that question how did I manage 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.000 that -- it started for me with 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:45.000 really good communication with 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.000 my internship supervisor the 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.000 person that I had on site -- 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:50.000 I little bit unique because 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:54.000 I had -- a site supervisor 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.000 who didn't have a CRC 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.000 license and so at that time 00:50:59.000 --> 00:50:60.000 placed there I had a secondary 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.000 supervisor I don't believe 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.000 that happens anymore -- but 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:05.000 my secondary supervisor was 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:06.000 also here at Western but I had 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.000 to supervisors -- really good 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.000 communication to say here's 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.000 what my schedule is so here's 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.000 when I have to be in this 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.000 class here's when I need to be 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:18.000 turning stuff in -- and just 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.000 having that open communication 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.000 was really helpful because then 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.000 better understand where can 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:26.000 I structure my time he was 00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.000 also very understanding about 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.000 allowing me some extra time in 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.000 the day to do some of that work 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:33.000 because it was still related 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:37.000 to the internship -- and so you 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.000 work to my understanding thirty 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.000 two hours in the internship 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.000 that break down will depend 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.000 on your site so I had some 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:49.000 colleagues who were working 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.000 eight to five four days a week 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:52.000 and then their last day on 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:53.000 Friday was like their study 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:56.000 homework day like studying for 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.000 the tests and then doing the 00:51:58.000 --> 00:51:59.000 papers that didn't work for 00:51:59.000 --> 00:51:61.000 my site because they needed 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.000 me five days a week -- so the 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.000 alternative was to come in 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.000 from ten to five -- and still 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:09.000 have a lunch break -- and so 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:10.000 what I did between those first 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.000 two hours I'd still be in the 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.000 office but I just wasn't taking 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.000 appointments or doing anything 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:17.000 traditional in the office and 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.000 that's when I did my work -- 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.000 and developing just kind of 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:23.000 a good time management skill 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.000 or system that works 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.000 well -- that was something I 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.000 learned very quickly on the 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.000 fly -- up until that point it 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.000 was like it's up here and I like 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.000 wrote stuff down sort of in a 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.000 planner because of the job I 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.000 had to have a Google calendar 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.000 and now I don't know what I did 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.000 without it -- it is a beautiful 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.000 place -- but that was really 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:48.000 helpful for me getting to like 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.000 specifically and intentionally 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.000 put time in my day for those 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.000 things and then having that 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.000 open communication so I was 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.000 very much intentionalizing -- 00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.000 when you have that time and 00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:60.000 not doing the other work 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.000 one of the things that I think 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:03.000 can get really overwhelming 00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:07.000 about internship is you walk in 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:08.000 and you want to be really 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.000 good at it and it's going 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.000 to take awhile -- I had to 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:14.000 come to terms with that very 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.000 quickly that I wasn't gonna 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.000 know everything in two weeks 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:19.000 the first two weeks and I 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.000 really wanted to -- it takes 00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.000 time to learn a whole system 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.000 and a whole language and I 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:26.000 was even really discouraged 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:27.000 because they were telling me 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.000 when I first started that in 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:30.000 for new advisers in the field 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.000 of advising actually say like 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.000 you need a whole year to learn 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:35.000 things and I'm like I don't 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:36.000 have a whole year I have five 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.000 months that's overwhelming 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.000 going to know everything in 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:45.000 two weeks and that's okay -- 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.000 but if you intentionally set 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.000 aside the time not allowing 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:50.000 the other stuff to come in and 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.000 do stuff over that intentional 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.000 time setting I think it's 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.000 really helpful it's just having 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:56.000 similar to how you would have 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.000 boundaries with the client have 00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:60.000 those boundaries with yourself 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.000 at this point in my life is 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:08.000 self care for folks who are 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:10.000 interacting with other humans 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:11.000 whether that's in an advising 00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:12.000 setting or higher education 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.000 in general -- on a regular 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.000 basis and just how we manage 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.000 that and one of the self care 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:20.000 skills I put in the prevention 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.000 category is setting very good 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.000 boundaries with yourself what 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:25.000 is expected of you what is 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.000 expected of other people when 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.000 do you stop doing something 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.000 when do you leave work at work 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:35.000 I am not good at that one I am 00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:36.000 also not good at taking a lunch 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.000 break so do not follow in my 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.000 footsteps there take your lunch 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.000 uptight about you not taking 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.000 lunch have that conversation -- 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:47.000 because it's intentional time 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:49.000 to turn your brain off and do 00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:50.000 something else so the question 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:51.000 is what kind of test taker am I 00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.000 is multiple choice easy for 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.000 me or not I'm a very nervous 00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:58.000 test taker it depended on the 00:54:58.000 --> 00:54:60.000 subject for me -- multiple 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.000 choice tended to be on paper 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:03.000 is easier for me because I'm 00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.000 very much a tactile person I 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.000 want to be able to like cover 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:08.000 things up and write things 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:12.000 down -- and so having it on a 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.000 computer screen is definitely 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.000 different -- I don't enjoy 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:19.000 that at all -- something that 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.000 I kind of learned how to do 00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.000 because you do at the 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:23.000 exam you do get a piece of 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:27.000 paper and pencil -- my approach 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:29.000 to that the second time I'm 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:30.000 in a reference to second the 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.000 first time we're just gonna 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.000 kick that one out -- the second 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.000 time was to focus on an essay 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:39.000 I suggested I give to students 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:40.000 as well is focus on what you 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:41.000 do now first what you don't 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:44.000 know so instead of looking at 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:45.000 the question and being like 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.000 oh man I hope one of these for 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.000 something I know and focusing 00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:50.000 on maybe what I don't know is 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.000 read the question through and 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:53.000 see can I answer this question 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.000 without taking a multiple 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:58.000 choice answer -- before I 00:55:58.000 --> 00:55:59.000 even looked at the answers 00:55:59.000 --> 00:55:60.000 and sometimes I would take the 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:01.000 little piece of paper and put 00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:02.000 it up in front of the screen 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.000 just to cover the answers 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:05.000 because more often than not 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:06.000 when I would read the question 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.000 and then write my answer down 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:09.000 I felt more confident about 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:11.000 my answer and I could find 00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:13.000 one that was like yes that one 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:16.000 fits better -- some of those 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:17.000 questions are also very long 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.000 winded there like four lines 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:21.000 of text and you're like oh 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:22.000 good gracious that's a long 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:26.000 question -- so they did I think 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:27.000 the computer has a feature 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:28.000 to underline things as well 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.000 as highlight things and then 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:32.000 cross things out maybe under 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.000 line is not a thing crossing 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:36.000 out and highlight you can -- what 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.000 I like to suggest is breaking 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.000 that question up and finding 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.000 the natural break whether 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.000 it's an and or a comma or 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:44.000 a period or something like 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.000 that and chunking them out 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.000 into distinct parts of that 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:50.000 question and making sure you 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:52.000 understand all parts of that 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:54.000 question -- if you just look 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.000 for like the highlighted like 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:57.000 the key word I think some of 00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:58.000 the content around it gets 00:56:58.000 --> 00:56:60.000 missed -- so I started doing 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.000 that in a second round that I 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.000 did that was do I understand 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.000 the whole question so I'd piece 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.000 it out see if I could answer 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:09.000 each piece of it and then put 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:11.000 it back together and see okay 00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:12.000 do I understand this question 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:13.000 and then here are the answers that 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.000 are going to pop up -- and that 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:17.000 made it feel like I was taking 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:19.000 the test and the test wasn't 00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:22.000 taking me which happened the 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.000 first time -- yeah definitely 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.000 breaking those down I tend to be 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:28.000 a better -- short answer test 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.000 taker -- I don't always enjoy 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.000 multiple choice but I figured 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:34.000 out a way that I could turn 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.000 it into a short answer if I 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.000 could just write out what was 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.000 it I saw the key words I would 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:41.000 write out what I knew about it 00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:43.000 and and that kind of help the 00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:44.000 juices flow of like okay I know 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.000 exactly what I'm talking about 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:47.000 now I can figure out what the 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:49.000 question is asking me so that 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:50.000 was how I approached that one 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:53.000 how you talk to your supervisor about 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:54.000 ethical conversation so I had 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:58.000 a couple of them -- I started 00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:61.000 with recognizing that there was 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.000 an ethical dilemma and kind of 00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.000 for myself you all haven't taken 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.000 ethics yet have you in it right 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.000 now okay -- figuring out how to 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.000 have a conversation with myself 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.000 and like why is this an ethical 00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.000 dilemma and what is the ethics 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.000 around it -- I actually then 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:20.000 went to my internship it's not 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:21.000 my internship supervisor about 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.000 my program supervisor so you 00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:25.000 do get -- program supervisor 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.000 still during that time and 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:28.000 having the conversation with 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.000 them first of here's where 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.000 my where I think the ethical 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:33.000 dilemma is -- here's where I 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:34.000 think the tough conversation 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.000 is and so having that from 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.000 the counseling perspective of 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:39.000 here's how we would approach it 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.000 from accounting perspective -- 00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:42.000 as well as getting to practice 00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.000 like what do I say to this 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.000 person in power -- over me 00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:48.000 in this particular setting of 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:49.000 just like all my gosh what do 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:51.000 I do -- is I think going into 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.000 it I was armed with here's 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:55.000 where I stand on it here's 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.000 why I think it's a problem 00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:58.000 and here's what I'd like to 00:58:58.000 --> 00:58:60.000 do about it I didn't say it 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.000 in that way but in my mind 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:03.000 that was like my agenda going 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:05.000 into that meeting and started 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:07.000 that conversation with I would 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:08.000 like to sit down and chat with 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:09.000 you about a concern that I 00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:12.000 have -- okay what was it and 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.000 so we kind of doing a similar 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:16.000 to like a case note -- like a 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.000 sop note what's the concerning 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.000 presenting issue what did you 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.000 do and what would you like to 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.000 do moving forward was kind 00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:25.000 of how I structure that -- and 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.000 I think that the reception to 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:31.000 it was positive because I came 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:32.000 from it in a perspective that 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.000 wasn't like well this happened 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.000 in this person over here was 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:39.000 doing this and business -- it 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:41.000 came from a very like here's 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:42.000 the issue here's what I'd like 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.000 to do about it and here's the plan 00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.000 yes so the question is 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:48.000 how did I handle anxiety or 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.000 test anxiety walking into a test 00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:53.000 so not well the first time 00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:57.000 the second time around -- I mean 00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:58.000 a lot of it was just kind of 00:59:58.000 --> 00:59:60.000 mentally preparing for this 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.000 is what I'm going to walk into 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:02.000 this is what's going to happen 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:03.000 and here's what I'm gonna do 01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:07.000 in this situation -- a lot 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.000 of it for me in my experience 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:11.000 with test anxiety a lot of it's 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:14.000 the external factor and so -- 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:15.000 test anxiety in and of itself 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.000 is a chemical reaction that's 01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.000 happening in your brain -- it 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.000 is flooding your frontal lobe 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:25.000 and cutting off -- access to 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:26.000 all of the places that store your 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.000 memory -- so it's essentially 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:31.000 inciting in your your fight 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:32.000 flight or freeze response where 01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:34.000 you can't necessarily fight 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.000 your computer -- you could 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.000 absolutely run away but then 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:40.000 you wouldn't finish the test 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.000 and so the freezing happens 01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:44.000 I have this conversation with 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.000 folks it's identifying when 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:48.000 you're freezing and I think 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.000 the benefit of going to this 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:51.000 program you get really good 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.000 at self assessment have like 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:54.000 how my feeling when I make 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.000 thinking how what am I doing 01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:57.000 those types of things -- so 01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:58.000 taking that self assessment 01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:61.000 of I am freezing now -- and 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:02.000 then what do you want to do 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:03.000 about it what calms you down 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:04.000 so there are things that I 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.000 did prior to testing after 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.000 tests that were really good to 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:10.000 putting me into that situation -- 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.000 so things like going through 01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:13.000 my normal daily routine like 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:15.000 having the same breakfast that 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.000 I normally do and going through 01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:21.000 may same process and procedure 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:25.000 procedure that puts you in that 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.000 place I have some -- students 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.000 who will -- like go for a walk 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:33.000 before their test -- because 01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:34.000 walking around and getting that 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.000 exercise is really beneficial 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.000 to them prior to a test -- 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.000 I usually encourage folks to 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:42.000 not cram right before not be 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:43.000 looking at your stuff prior 01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.000 but just spend like thirty 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.000 minutes before that -- just 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:49.000 kind of putting yourself in 01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:50.000 that sense if it's getting your 01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.000 favorite coffee or -- a tea 01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:57.000 or Red Bull whatever -- or not 01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:59.000 you know non-caffeinated 01:01:59.000 --> 01:01:60.000 things like water juice 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.000 milk all those things -- but 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:03.000 whatever might put you in a 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:06.000 good state of being -- I also 01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.000 went in very comfortable I 01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.000 were like my favorite comfy 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.000 outfit because I wanted to 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:12.000 be comfortable because I like 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:13.000 when I said I like to sit cross 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.000 legged in my chair because I'm 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.000 a short person with short legs 01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.000 that's comfortable for me -- I 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:20.000 wanted to be as comfortable as 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:22.000 possible because again I wanted 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:23.000 to take the test not have it 01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.000 take me -- and then mid test 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:28.000 I think if you're getting to 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:31.000 a point and that is -- you're 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:32.000 realizing the freeze is happening 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:35.000 or I am really not certain 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:36.000 about my answers because you 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:37.000 can skip them and come back 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:41.000 to them our flag them -- that 01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:42.000 was my point that I was like 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:43.000 I need to take a break I need 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:45.000 to go up get walk around and 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.000 get a drink of water I am a 01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:49.000 very up and down active person 01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:50.000 I have a standing desk all 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.000 that -- so sitting three and 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:54.000 a half hours straight not my 01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:56.000 thing -- so I had to get up 01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:57.000 and get some water and like 01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:58.000 turn my brain off for five ten 01:02:58.000 --> 01:02:60.000 minutes and then come back to 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.000 it -- and physically take a 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:04.000 break sometimes it was just 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:05.000 kind of like scooting my chair 01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.000 back and not looking at the 01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:08.000 screen for a while but again I 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:10.000 think it's really recognizing 01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:11.000 when that is starting to happen 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.000 when the emotion is rising in 01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:15.000 you or -- when you can feel 01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:18.000 the freeze happening taking 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:19.000 a few deep breaths taking a 01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:21.000 break whatever it might be to 01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.000 put you back into that state 01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:26.000 of I got this this is me I'm 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:28.000 in my cool zone again and then 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.000 after absolutely celebrating 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:31.000 whether it's a positive and 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:35.000 negative reaction -- I set up 01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:36.000 like a a dinner date with my 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:40.000 partner and I went to got 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:41.000 my second favorite coffee yeah 01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:44.000 I got my second coffee that day -- 01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:45.000 or like went to my favorite 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:46.000 restaurant or something like 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.000 that just to round it out 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.000 reflection after that so -- 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:53.000 yeah I think a lot of it's how 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:56.000 you set up for it definitely 01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:57.000 practicing it so if you do 01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:58.000 decide to take the practice 01:03:58.000 --> 01:03:60.000 test go to somewhere in the 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:01.000 library because they have the 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:03.000 cubicle section things take 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:05.000 your computer -- and practice 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.000 what that's like you know you 01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:08.000 get your cell phone and like 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.000 put yourself in that particular 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:13.000 scenario -- my analogy is 01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:14.000 are there sports fans in the 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.000 room cool yeah those folks 01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:17.000 don't walk out on to the 01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:18.000 field having never practiced 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:20.000 a game situation so why do 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.000 we walk in a test situations 01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:25.000 test as weird as that is you 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:26.000 like I would never practice 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:27.000 taking a test well who wants 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:28.000 to do that -- it's actually 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:30.000 extremely beneficial because 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:31.000 your brain is remembering the 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:34.000 same situation -- in the same 01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:35.000 way that I encourage folks not 01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:36.000 to listen to music while they 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.000 study because if you don't 01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:40.000 get music while you're taking 01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:41.000 a test you the way you access 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:42.000 information it's going to be 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.000 different -- you're not going 01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.000 to access it in the same way so 01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:48.000 as you study maybe that's an extra 01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.000 point as you study study in a 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:52.000 similar environment that you 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:53.000 would take that test so that 01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:55.000 when you do recall information 01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:57.000 it's in the same context so you 01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:59.000 can access that memory in the 01:04:59.000 --> 01:04:61.000 same way the question was -- are 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:02.000 you allowed to stand up in the 01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:04.000 in the test and my answer 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:06.000 is I don't know I didn't try 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.000 was to go get a drink of water 01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:11.000 you can also go out in as many 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:13.000 times as you like -- granted 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:14.000 if you're doing it every five 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:15.000 minutes they might check on 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:17.000 you -- something I forgot to 01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:19.000 mention -- they also will have 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:22.000 somebody like every twenty 01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:23.000 minutes or so they will have 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:24.000 someone come into your testing 01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.000 room and just kind of do a loop 01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.000 and then go back -- sometimes 01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.000 you don't have a choice to they 01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:32.000 don't let you choose where you 01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:34.000 sit which is the unfortunate 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:35.000 thing but if you're like right 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:37.000 by the entrance door just know 01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:38.000 you're going to have somebody 01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:39.000 coming in and out of that 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:41.000 door pretty frequently that 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:42.000 was my first time taking that 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:43.000 test was I had somebody like 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:46.000 consistently walking in and 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.000 that was fun -- you'll also 01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:49.000 have people that are coming 01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:51.000 in at various different times 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:52.000 like say your test is at nine 01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:53.000 there's gonna be people 01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:55.000 be people coming in at nine 01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:57.000 fifteen nine thirty nine 01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:58.000 forty five so they're going 01:05:58.000 --> 01:05:59.000 to be consistently like coming 01:05:59.000 --> 01:05:61.000 through the noise canceling 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:04.000 headphones are a god send -- 01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:06.000 because you can just for me 01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:09.000 it's the noise like if yeah I 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:10.000 can see you are my peripherals 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:12.000 but if I can hear you I'm gonna 01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.000 be jerking towards the sound 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:15.000 so having the noise canceling 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.000 headphones -- pro tip for 01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:19.000 folks who have their ears 01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:21.000 pierced don't wear earrings 01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:22.000 they really hurt with noise 01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:23.000 canceling headphones because 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:25.000 they're like smash on your ear 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:26.000 my ears hurt really bad after that 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:27.000 question is do you request 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:29.000 them the headphones ahead of 01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:30.000 time or do you get when you 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:32.000 everyone gets them -- yeah when 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:33.000 you go to your cubicle 01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:35.000 the little walls right there 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:36.000 have two sets of headphones 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:38.000 one for audio and one for 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:39.000 noise canceling did I feel like 01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:40.000 I finished in enough time 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.000 did I feel rushed or not -- I think 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.000 the first time I took the test 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:49.000 I finished in three hours -- 01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:52.000 and I didn't feel rushed but I 01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:55.000 was definitely anxious see my 01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.000 previous comments of testing 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.000 to take the whole test and then I 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:04.000 flagged a lot of stuff and went 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:06.000 back and reviewed all of the 01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:08.000 flagged stuff and then went back 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:09.000 and looked at the entire test 01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:11.000 over again so that was enough 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:12.000 time for me to go through it 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:13.000 essentially two and a half 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:16.000 times -- granted that first 01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:17.000 time was a lot longer than the 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:21.000 second and a half times -- I 01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:22.000 did feel like it was enough 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:24.000 time I think the second time I 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:25.000 took it I went almost all the 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:26.000 way up to the three and a half 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:28.000 hours it was like three fifteen 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:31.000 or so -- but felt a lot better 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.000 about it the second time around 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:36.000 because I had prepared better 01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:38.000 members that did it in two and 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.000 a half some folks it took the 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:41.000 entire time and got kicked out 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:42.000 because they were like nope 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.000 you're done like we're at that 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:46.000 point you're done -- so I do 01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:48.000 think it's enough time -- to 01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.000 go through but I would say 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:51.000 if you're concerned about it 01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.000 use your whole time -- if you 01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:55.000 feel like this is a personal 01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:57.000 opinion not necessarily like 01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:59.000 do this -- I think if you're 01:07:59.000 --> 01:07:60.000 feeling like you have to 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.000 extend your time like I have 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:03.000 you know I'm at two hours and 01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:04.000 forty five minutes but I'm 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:06.000 done and I feel good about it 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.000 cool be done with it -- if 01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:09.000 you're gonna force yourself to 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:11.000 sit there like reviewing and 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.000 obsessing about your answers 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:16.000 is that really -- do you feel 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.000 answers maybe maybe not -- I 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:20.000 think if you feel confident 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:22.000 in the time that you took it then 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:24.000 you can walk away from it and 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:25.000 say five to get again I take 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.000 it again it does not have any 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:29.000 impact on whether or not you 01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.000 pass right okay yeah doesn't have 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:33.000 any impact on whether or not you graduate 01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:35.000 that's still thing -- so you 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.000 can absolutely take them again 01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:38.000 my office is in the advising 01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:41.000 center -- right across from the 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:43.000 Warner University Center behind 01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:46.000 the back behind Todd Hall if 01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:47.000 your familiar with Western a few 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:48.000 years ago it used to be the old 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.000 student health and counseling building 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:51.000 if you have any questions please let me 01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:52.000 know I'm around you can send 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:56.000 me an email I'm around nice to meet you all