WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.000 music 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Welcome to Blind React, Criminal Justice edition. 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:19.000 Today, we'll be looking at some social media fun getting some reactions from our professional panel. 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:22.000 Would you please introduce yourself? 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:26.000 I'm Sergeant Mike Strack with the Monmouth Police Department. 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:30.000 I'm Rob Perkins with the Lynn County Juvenile Department. 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.000 I'm Deputy Amanda Geislinger with the Washington County Sheriffs Office. 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:36.000 Sergeant Tony Shaddy with the Washington County Sheriffs Office. 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.000 Lee Warren, Supervisor, Polk County Community Corrections. 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:43.000 And I'm Grant Yoder, I'm with the Oregon Department of Corrections. 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.000 Jennifer: Thank you, and welcome for being here. 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:51.000 We are trying a new event to reach out to our students. 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:56.000 Before we start, I want to begin with some rules of engagement. 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:60.000 The first is, the safe word is, "banana." 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:04.000 So if I happen to ask you something or show you a clip in which you 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.000 don't wanna comment or it's something you're not comfortable giving a comment on, 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:17.000 Answer to your level of comfort, it's okay to pass, use that safe word, "banana." 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:18.000 This is a judgement free zone. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:23.000 We really just are looking to hear what you have to say in your professional, personal, 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.000 just silly opinion, whatever you are comfortable giving. 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:32.000 There's trigger warning for bad language and potential content that may be bothersome to some people. 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.000 So just a heads up, we are just watching regular social media clips. 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:40.000 And of course, the views and opinions expressed here and do not necessarily reflect 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:43.000 those of your agencies or their affiliates. 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:46.000 You are here, you are representatives, but you are also people. 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:54.000 So the first, is a little video, it's a magic trick that I'd like you to watch and when we're done, we will talk about it. 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.000 music 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:61.000 Speaker: Watch this next sequence carefully. At the end, I'll ask you a question about what you've seen. 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:07.000 Speaker: Hi, I'm Magic Sing and today we're in Portobello Road and I'm gonna show you guys a classic 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.000 in magic using matches. 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:13.000 And today to help me out, here's Mark. 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:17.000 Mark? Tell you what? Place your hand up for me nice and flat. Now, I promise this won't hurt, alright? 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:23.000 So here's the idea, let's just light this up and if you close onto that nice and tight. Here we go, watch this. 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.000 Speaker: Keep watching 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:28.000 Magic: Don't know if you felt that or not? 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:32.000 I'll tell you what, have a look inside. Open it up. 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:39.000 See how the match has actually returned into the book and it's still burnt? Okay, you're not impressed, alright. It was my first trick ever. 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:44.000 But here's the idea, just place that back into your hand, close it tight, and turn it face down if you can. 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:47.000 Now, we're gonna use one more thing and we're gonna use a magician's best friend. 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:52.000 Playing cards, but the idea is really simple. You're gonna choose one. So take anyone you like. 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.000 Perfect. Have a look for yourself 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:58.000 and do me a favor, show the camera as well if you can. 00:02:58.000 --> 00:02:61.000 Brilliant. And you know what? Place it back face up on the deck. 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:06.000 Now, it doesn't matter if I see what the card is, because we're gonna do something completely different. Just watch this. 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:12.000 I'll do it slowly. Watch the king. 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:13.000 I don't know if you felt that or not. 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:14.000 Mark: no 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:17.000 Magic: Tell you what, have a look inside. Open it up. 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.000 Mark: Oh! 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:20.000 Magic: Check it out 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.000 Mark: it's the king of diamonds, it's my card. 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:26.000 Magic: Brilliant, thank you very much 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:32.000 Speaker: Did you watch the trick closely? This is a famous illusion called, "inattention blindness." 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:33.000 This illusion is not about the magic. 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:38.000 While watching you routine, you may or may not have noticed the changes taking place. 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:41.000 The question is, how many changes did you see? 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:47.000 Was there 1, were there 3, or were there 5? 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:58.000 music 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:61.000 The answer, is there were 3 changes. 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.000 music 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:07.000 The first change was the red hankie to a green one. 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:13.000 The second was his shirt swapping to a t shirt. 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.000 The last, was his assistant becoming a completely different person. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.000 How many did you see? 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.000 Speaker: So why is it that you didn't see these big changes? 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.000 And the reason is that the brain receives so much information on its eyes 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.000 that you can't see everything simultaneously. 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:34.000 So instead, it picks and chooses according to what it thinks it's important. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:39.000 If you change something that it doesn't think is important, you just literally don't see it. 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.000 Jennifer: So in criminal justice, you are all trained observers. 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:48.000 You've gone through academies, you've gone through training where you are learning to read people, to read situations. 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:52.000 To be able to pick up on details that other people don't pick up. 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:57.000 How many of you caught the change of the color of the handkerchief? 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:58.000 The shirt change? 00:04:58.000 --> 00:04:61.000 The assistant change? 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:07.000 So what are your thoughts on that? You are training officers who might be under you. How do you observe what to do 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.000 on patrol you've learned yourself? 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.000 You're in positions where you're being asked to be super observant, to see these things. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:20.000 How do you think inattention blindness might impact your jobs or did you even think that this was a 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.000 thing? I'm looking for your blind react. 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:28.000 Well I think, honestly, on that situation that there 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.000 we were probably all focused on the trick and trying to figure out 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.000 how they're doing the trick and not necessarily paying attention to the surroundings. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:44.000 I think in law enforcement, when you're dealing with a situation, you kind of start looking for things outside 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:48.000 you know, your situational awareness and looking for the things outside 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.000 when you're dealing with a situation. 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:55.000 Not to say that you can't get hyper focused on what you're dealing with, but 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:59.000 we try to size things up as we're going into them before. 00:05:59.000 --> 00:05:67.000 If we were told to look out for some other things besides the trick, I think we could have probably picked up on some stuff. But 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:12.000 I was focused on the trick to see if I could catch how they were doing it. 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:16.000 Jennifer: Yeah, absolutely, anyone else? 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:21.000 Echoing those same sentiments, I was focused on the trick, not really looking at 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.000 some of the other aspects of it that were also 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:29.000 changing, it was really focused on trying to figure out the nuances of the trick itself. 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:34.000 Jennifer: Do you think that inattention blindness might be something that could impact your job? 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.000 For example, if you were doing an interview with someone, 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:42.000 and you are looking for something specific or trying to certain information that you might miss something 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:46.000 that's important in the surroundings or with a person or in their personality 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:51.000 just in the daily workings of your job. 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:55.000 I mean, absolutely. I mean, it comes into a lot of different places such as 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:60.000 even when we're trying to recall certain events during a call for service that we 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:04.000 get involved with. There's certain things that we're gonna focus on and some things 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:07.000 some attention to detail that we're not even gonna know 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:10.000 how to recall that and you might see it on your body cam later and you 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:14.000 won't even remember that it happened so it happens in all facets of the job. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.000 Jennifer: Any last thoughts? 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:23.000 Yeah, it's just a good reminder of perspective in that the things that we didn't catch, maybe someone else did 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.000 and if we just got the story from the video camera, that wouldn't be the whole story. 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:32.000 So it's a good reminder that we collect information from several sources and we pile it together to try and figure out 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:39.000 what's really going on, not just from what I can see or what they can see, but from the total view. 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:42.000 Jennifer: I like that, multiple perspectives. Okay, moving on. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:45.000 This is, "The Trunk Touch" 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:50.000 Speaker: This is a very good question and probably one of the top three questions that I get all the time on my social media accounts 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:51.000 so let's answer it. 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:57.000 The reason that we touch the rear end of a vehicle upon approaching it on a traffic stop is to leave fingerprints. 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:61.000 These fingerprints is just in case the worst of the worst happens when you approach the driver. 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.000 If the driver was to flee after committing a crime, 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.000 this would link the vehicle and your fingerprints together to give the detectives another piece of evidence. 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:12.000 I know police officers around the nation may have a different point, so let me know in the comments what you think. 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:13.000 See you guys on the next one. 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.000 Jennifer: Blind react, 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:19.000 especially directed to our law enforcement folks, but anyone else who might have an opinion or 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:28.000 thought about this, why or if do you touch the back of a trunk on a traffic stop? 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:34.000 So that's not something that I personally do, I've heard of that from other people doing that, other agencies. 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:39.000 Every agency does things differently, they train their people differently, they have different standards, and 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:44.000 so I have heard some of my district partners do that and some don't. 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:47.000 Again, it's not something I personally do, but I understand the point of it and it 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:52.000 makes sense. It's just something I've never done myself. 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:57.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what I was trained straight from The Academy so 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:62.000 it's listening to what he's saying is exactly what we talked about in The Academy and it's just what I've done because 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.000 it's just a routine for me. 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:09.000 Jennifer: Awesome, okay, well one myth dispelled. Let's keep going. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:15.000 Let's talk about your "Double Identity" in your professional and personal lives. 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:26.000 piano music 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:32.000 piano: Still D.R.E opening 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:41.000 Jennifer: So in this TikTok we see an officer coming off of shift in his formal duty gear moving to his at home clothing which 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:47.000 you know, it's just regular person, regular folk clothing, how do you 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.000 take off your professional persona and get ready to go home? 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.000 Are you a different person when you're at work versus when you go home? 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:60.000 I think as probation officers we have a little different style than that because we like, 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.000 I'm ready for work and he's ready for work. 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:09.000 Last week, I went out to dinner with my parents. I went to work straight to dinner with my parents. 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:15.000 So I sometimes think that our change is a little bit harder to define 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:23.000 and I'm reminded at home all the time that, "Officer Lee" doesn't get to come home. So 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:29.000 I think it's about perspective especially as a probation who lives in the county that I serve, 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:35.000 I run into these people oftentimes. When when my son was younger, I coached client's kids. 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:41.000 So I think it's about just drawing boundaries for yourself and for the public. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:50.000 I think a lot of it is just, like that gentleman right there, I think a lot of it is just trying to 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:56.000 not have that uniform on. I mean, when it's time to take the uniform off, I 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:60.000 can't get it off fast enough. So just trying to get it off 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:05.000 quickly, but also, I guarantee you that guy isn't truly off duty 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:09.000 because cops are always on duty. I mean, 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:16.000 whether we dress totally different from the uniform and we're out in our personal lives 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:22.000 we're not truly off duty. In fact, we're obligated to be on duty full time pretty much. 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:27.000 So even though there's gonna look totally different, he's still gonna be somewhat on duty, 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:34.000 but I think, for the most part, we have to try to assimilate to the public if we're out there to 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:37.000 just to be sane. 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:42.000 Jennifer: Do any of you have a personal process that you do for kind of like creating that boundary? 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:51.000 regular guy, regular gal mode." 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:57.000 Is there anything special that you do to kind of get there mentally or literally with your clothing? 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:62.000 I have usually a 35, 40 minute drive to and 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:05.000 from work so I kind of have the car ride to and from work to 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:11.000 sort of transition, but I show up to work in sweat pants and a hoodie. Sometimes I have fuzzy slippers on. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:14.000 depending on the weather, but I mean, I want to be comfortable. If I'm gonna wear 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:19.000 a vest and a duty belt and this uniform for 10 hours. When I'm done, I wanna put on something comfortable and 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:25.000 you know, if I'm gonna go out somewhere for dinner something afterwards, I'll change what I'm wearing so I can just 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:27.000 change into that, but usually sweatpants and a sweatshirt is 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:32.000 what I show up to so it's a pretty drastic difference from what I've been wearing at work all day. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:38.000 Rob: So along the lines with Lee, working in probation, 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:43.000 it is definitely one of those ones where when you leave the office 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:51.000 there's many times I'll be seen out in the community wearing this exact attire going straight to 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.000 my son's basketball games, baseball games. 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:59.000 There's been times leaving straight from work going to coaching a baseball game. It's just 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:04.000 wearing this, but throwing just a 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:10.000 jersey, a t shirt over top for whatever event, whatever team it was so 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:15.000 I would say there's not the same uniform to go through and take off, but 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:22.000 going through and along the lines of being on duty all the time, 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:28.000 it's difficult, you just see things through a different lens. You pick up on things that 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:35.000 other people don't. Living out in the country, here within the local community, 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:42.000 Monmouth Independence, you just see things occurring that 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:46.000 people think if they go out in the country they can hid from the 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:50.000 watching eyes, so just being able to pick up on 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:55.000 different nuances, different things that most people don't see, it's harder to turn that off. 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:60.000 You're just seeing those things more frequently and then 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.000 you know, going through and when you're out in the community, especially in a small 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:06.000 community like Monmouth Independence, people know you. 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:11.000 They know exactly where you work especially if you've grown up in this community, 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:17.000 worked in this community, and then even if you're working in a neighboring county. I work in Lynn County, but 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:22.000 I live here in town so when you're off duty 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:27.000 you're not really off duty because everyone knows what business you're in. 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:34.000 It makes it a little more difficult to have that separation between 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:47.000 When I'm off work, I definitely like to go through and work around our place, 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:51.000 but then going out into the community, going shopping, 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:59.000 going to a restaurant, you see a lot of people that you know and it's hard to just be 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:07.000 Jennifer: So what I'm hearing is there's a literal taking off of some type of uniform or 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:13.000 even just a mental separation, but for people in criminal justice, it never really fully shuts off. 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:17.000 That that full transformation from work mode to personal mode never really 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:25.000 clearly distincts. There's always some connection existing when you're at work and when you're in your personal life, interesting. 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:31.000 Mike: This one makes me laugh quite a bit because, not going into a deeper level like they all went into, 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:36.000 but this one to me, like just last week 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.000 got off duty, got normal clothes, went to WinCo, 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:45.000 and I was shopping and this guy kept staring at me and I'm like, "okay," and he comes over and he's like, "you look really familiar." 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:52.000 I was like, "I didn't want to say anything, but I was at your house today and you know," and he's like, "Oh! You shop at WinCo?" 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:59.000 And I'm like, "Yeah," he's like, "well, what else do you do?" And I'm like, 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:09.000 policing and I just think it's funny because most people, well not most, 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:16.000 quite a few people don't realize that we're just normal people and we're just changing clothes. We don't, 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:17.000 this isn't who I am, this is what I do. 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:23.000 Jennifer: It's like a kid that sees a teacher outside of the classroom. They don't realize that you exist outside of the classroom. 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.000 Alright, moving on. 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:31.000 So this is a slightly longer react. This is all about connecting and the 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.000 maybe odd and strange things that you do during the course of your jobs 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:40.000 to find any way to connect with the people that you work with. 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:44.000 Probation Officer: Good morning 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:48.000 Clive "Double Down" Ruggins, I'm Daniel Tate. 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.000 I am your parole officer 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:52.000 and I just wanna help you. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:59.000 Clive: How the hell you supposed help me, man? What the f*** you know 'bout the streets, what with your diplomas on the wall? 00:16:59.000 --> 00:16:65.000 Daniel: Settle down, I know that you might not be able to relate to me, 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:12.000 but I think I know somebody who you can relate to: 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.000 Little Homie. 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:19.000 Little Homie: What up? What up? It's my favorite Clive! laughs 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:20.000 What up dude? 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:24.000 Clive: Nah dawg, listen hey man, I'm not trying to talk to no puppet, man! 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:29.000 Daniel: It's not a puppet, it's Little Homie and I'd like you to talk to him, Clive. 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:36.000 See, I used to work in the juvenile corrections systems and I found this method very effective. 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:39.000 Clive: I ain't no juvenile, man, okay? 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:44.000 Little Homie: He's right! Does he look like a kid to you? Come on! He's a grown ass man! 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.000 Clive: See? What? 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:53.000 Daniel: Look, it's very important for your parole that you talk to Little Homie. 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:57.000 Clive: 'Sup Little Homie? 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:58.000 Little Homie: laughs 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:61.000 That's better, my negrumps. 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:07.000 Yeah! Whatchu gettin' into these days, man? What it is? What it is? You got a job yet? 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.000 Clive: I'm tryin' man, but no one will hire me. 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.000 Little Homie: Yeah, hey, f*** all that noise, man! 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:21.000 Between you and me, man? Ain't nobody tryin' to hire a **** with a record. 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.000 But hey, man, watchchu need to be doin' 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:28.000 is get back into some crimes man. 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.000 Clive: What, what, what, what, what's goin' on man? 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.000 Daniel: Are you talking to me? 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:33.000 Clive: Yeah 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.000 Daniel: Well, you should be talking to Little Homie right now. 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.000 Little Homie: Yeah, bitch! Talk to me! Look at me when I'm talkin' to you! 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:41.000 Clive: Okay, okay, okay fine! 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:44.000 Little Homie: panting 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:49.000 Damn! So you smokin' weed ****? 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:53.000 Clive: No man, no, no, Little Homie I'm done with drugs. 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:54.000 Little Homie: laughs 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:59.000 S***, I got some. Uh oh, uh oh, uh oh! 00:18:59.000 --> 00:18:63.000 Look at this here, negrumps! 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.000 Smoke this weed! 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:10.000 Clive: No, no, no, no, no, man. I'm done, man! You hear me? I'm done with drugs! I ain't doin' all that. 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:15.000 Daniel: I don't know, Little Homie seems pretty serious about that. 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.000 Little Homie: Here! 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.000 Clive: Look I'm confused man, what do you want me to do here? 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.000 Jennifer: Alright, I think you get the picture. 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:29.000 So what unorthodox, strange, and interesting things have you done to connect with citizens, clients, kids? 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:29.000 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.000 laughter 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.000 Nothing that extreme, I'm guessing? 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:43.000 Not that extreme. I think it does let you know 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:49.000 how trying to connect with whoever you're dealing with and trying to find that connection kind of helps sometimes. 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:54.000 Like my background is more in corrections than it is out on the road so 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:59.000 trying to just connect with the people you're 00:19:59.000 --> 00:19:64.000 dealing with on a daily basis and finding out what their interests are to try to get 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:09.000 more information or to try to deal with whatever it is they're going through at any given time. 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.000 It helps. 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:13.000 Jennifer: So you don't have an office puppet? 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:18.000 Tony: No, but it might be an idea. 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.000 Nor do I have an office puppet. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:27.000 I always find it odd when we see things about probation and parole officers because 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:31.000 what we're portrayed on tv isn't quite what it's like in the real world, but 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:40.000 in P&P we do build relationships with clients because we work with them for 18 plus months at a time usually 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:45.000 and you have to ask them pretty serious questions into their life. 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:50.000 So in my office, I have a collection of Funko Pops and bobbleheads 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:55.000 and you'll find them and see them looking around my office 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:61.000 asking about who the characters are and it's just something that they're willing to talk about first and then you go from there. 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:04.000 Jennifer: I like that, that's fascinating. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:09.000 Continued question about that: what is so different about this 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:15.000 media version of what a parole probation officer. What was especially stark 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.000 to you and how it was represented? 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:20.000 Lee: Uh, yeah, we definitely don't tell people to go and commit crimes. 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.000 laughter 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.000 Or at least I haven't, I mean, maybe they do. I don't know. 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:30.000 Jennifer: Amazing, any other thoughts on connection and communication? 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:34.000 Grant: Yeah, it's just so important so in corrections we have a lot longer to build relationships with people, but 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:39.000 we need to be carful about those boundaries, too, so finding that common ground. Sports or whatever it is 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:43.000 to have something that you can connect on a human level. 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:49.000 We're really focusing on the humanization in corrections right now for long term corrections. So 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:55.000 once you get to know someone though, you'll have these folks heading to housing unit with you for a while. 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:56.000 it's important to know them. 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:61.000 So we have officers who really know their people that live with them and they can say, "you know what? I know this 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:07.000 guy has a medical condition. I have a feeling it's gonna have a flare up today. I'm gonna have our nurses on call because 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.000 I've been watching them. I've seen this happen before," and we've been able to 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:12.000 interact with them that way despite 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:16.000 having those little connections where we can get to know them more and spend that time with them. 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:24.000 Jennifer: For those of you that work with juveniles, is there anything in particular that you to do to form those connections with kids 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:28.000 or to talk to them in a way that you can relate to them 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:34.000 obviously maybe with a puppet, but not so inappropriately, but just other ways that you'd talk to kids? 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:40.000 Definitely going through and trying to establishing those relationships so 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:48.000 looking at being able to go through and have those really difficult conversations, it's tough to do. 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:53.000 You know, just going through and just having that initial rapport building 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:57.000 period where you're not going through and getting real deep 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:63.000 to be able to build that trust and also let them see that you are a person. That 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:09.000 you're trying to go through and look out for their best interest to be able to get them set up with the resources 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:14.000 that they need. Juvenile probation officers are working with kids that 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.000 just have a great dal of trauma so trying to be trauma informed. 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:25.000 Trying to make sure and not make them go and relive that trauma time and time again, but 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:30.000 to be able to connect them up with some long term resources to be able to go through and help 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:35.000 overcome and deal with that trauma that they've already had in their life 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:41.000 and be able to connect them up with the resources that will hopefully put them in a better position. 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:48.000 Not to continue on that path of juvenile delinquency and ultimately penetrating the adult criminal justice system. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:55.000 It's about relationships and then getting them connected up with other people in the community that can 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:60.000 help support healthy relationships and get them connected up with resources. 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.000 Yeah and like the patrol level of 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:11.000 especially when you're dealing with kids and stuff like I've got three kids of my own so I try to take what they know, what they like, what's 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.000 popular in the kid realm there and try to learn a little bit about it. 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:19.000 Stuff that I don't necessarily like, you know, Dragon Ball Z, 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:24.000 Naruto, all this other stuff that I don't even really understand it, but 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:29.000 like when I'm out on patrol, I keep Pokemon cards on me, I keep action 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:34.000 hero things here and there, and sometimes it just helps open up a conversation. 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:39.000 And then outside of juveniles, you can extend that into any call that we're on as 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:42.000 if you're standing there and dealing with someone, 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:48.000 I'm always scanning their house, their car or whatever, looking for something I that I might have some knowledge on 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:54.000 to connect on that level even if it's not something I usually will connect to in a norma time, but 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.000 if I see a soccer team on the wall, 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:64.000 I don't know a lot about soccer, but I can talk a little bit about it, so just finding those things here and there that you can maybe talk to. 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:09.000 I guess I got an alibi on it. So one of the unorthodox things I tried one time 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:12.000 to try to connect with somebody. It wasn't quite the office puppet, 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:17.000 but long time ago, when I was working in our jail, 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:23.000 we had a disruptive adult in custody that would just bang on his door, yell and scream all 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:31.000 shift long so in this housing unit we had to do 30 minute security checks on each inmate and 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:36.000 so I found out that he liked chess so I ended up setting up a chessboard on his 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:39.000 food service flap and every time I did a 30 minute 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:44.000 check I would make a move and then he would make a move and then so we'd make a whole game of chess for 8 hours. 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:50.000 So it just made the whole shift better for myself, it made it better for 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:54.000 him and so it's one of those things were you just find out what they're interested in 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.000 and kind of connect with him that way. 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:64.000 Jennifer: Neat, very neat. Okay, we're gonna be talking about, "Just do it," and I'm gonna see how many of you guys can, "Just do this." 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.000 Robotic Voice: We decided to challenge a SWAT officer with this push up challenge. 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:13.000 music 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:14.000 He made it look easy. 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.000 music 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:19.000 Jennifer: Alright, let's talk physical fitness. 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:24.000 How many of you could, "just do it," in your duty belts, your dress shoes, your ties, your 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:28.000 button downs, your uncomfortable stuff. Can you 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:34.000 lift a car, can you do all of the things that are sometimes required of law enforcement officers who are 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:38.000 active, on patrol, doing those types of movement type things. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.000 Mike: He's a showoff 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:41.000 Tony: banana 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.000 laughter 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.000 Jennifer: I see two officers in gear, shall we try it? 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:48.000 All: Nope 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:51.000 Mike: Nope, I'm not about to embarrass myself. 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:56.000 Tony: Right? Exactly, I've seen that one before it's actually pretty good. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:63.000 Mike: I mean, that's seriously impressive because, I mean, he looks obviously in phenomenal shape, right? 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:10.000 Me not so much and when you're talking all this gear, you're talking at least an extra 20 25lbs 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.000 so for him to be able to do that, that's good on him for sure. 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:21.000 Jennifer: I see you have a holster on your leg so that's another added uncomfortable thing that might cause some movement. 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.000 When you're wearing your gear and you're on shift and you're 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:28.000 having to do things where you're jumping, moving, running, sitting, all of the things. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:33.000 How do you facilitate your health, your fitness, form your back being hurt and 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.000 you know, chronic injuries and staying in shape so you can do your jobs? 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:44.000 Mike: I mean yeah, definitely working out is a stress relief on top of it so it's also good for your mental health, but 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.000 a lot of the stuff you start to get used to. 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.000 Hip problems and back problems are huge. That's why a lot of people went 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:54.000 to outer carry vests because they get the weight off of your hips 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:61.000 and it's just a matter of treating your body good so a lot of us do yoga 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:06.000 just to stay limber and stuff like that, but that's a whole other level right there. 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:11.000 Tony: I do know some people we work with who can do that, but not me. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:17.000 Jennifer: Okay, so let's take a peek at the different types of people you might work with. 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:21.000 This one is the language trigger warning so just heads up. 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.000 Robotic Voice: My friend 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:29.000 music: Smack AB*tch by Rico Nasty 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:36.000 music change: Count on Me by Bruno Mars 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:42.000 music change: Caliou theme song parody 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:46.000 Jennifer: Alright, so do you have these types of employees at your departments? 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:54.000 The newbies, the administrators, all the people with their preconceived notions. The ones that get away with everything. 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:60.000 Yeah, we absolutely have a ton of different type of people 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:04.000 that we work with, but kind of back to the, "how do you connect with people?" That's 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:08.000 what is really helpful. Any type of big call we go to out on patrol, 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:12.000 usually there's multiple people that show up so there might be someone that I'm trying to talk to that we have 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:16.000 nothing in common, no connection, and we're just not working out well, but maybe 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:20.000 these two have something in common and they're gonna connect really well so having 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:25.000 people that were maybe teachers, somebody that was maybe this was their second job, someone who's 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:34.000 diverse group of people to work with makes it easier to work with our communities because you can 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:41.000 always find someone to connect with on some level so we have a good... 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.000 Jennifer: A good mix of people who are 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.000 Amanda: Yes, yes, exactly. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.000 Jennifer: maybe more willing to do some things, less willing to do some things, and 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:50.000 trade off, you do some things, you do other things. 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:55.000 How else does that manifest? I mean, that's great, out on the street getting different connections. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.000 Grant: I fully agree, I wanna have a lot of types of people working in our prisons 00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:63.000 because we have a lot of types of people who live there and we have different people that are gonna interact differently with different 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:09.000 folks so, I mean, there's some folks that live in our prisons and they need a grandma and there's a grandma that works at our prison 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:14.000 and there's other times where we wanna reflect the population that we have and so 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:18.000 the different types of folks who can get in the better and because of that, 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:24.000 one that we do is we don't look so closely at job history and things like that when we look at our applications. 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:29.000 We look for more of the soft skills and so we have our 5 attributes which are empathy, humanity, 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:36.000 communication, respect, and responsibility. And we say if we can find 5 of those things, doesn't matter if your 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.000 resume says, "security," because what does it do for me if you walked around a mall with a flashlight? 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:45.000 It's a lot more about customer service, connecting with people, and those daily interactions 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:51.000 and deescalation and problem solving, and so a lot of different type of people do that differently and that's what we need. 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.000 Jennifer: Awesome, I love that. Any other thoughts? 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:62.000 Rob: Yeah, we have 15 different probation officers within the Lynn County Juvenile Department. We're a smaller department, but 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:07.000 realistically, you've to 15 different personalities, 15 different styles. 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.000 When we have students come from Western Oregon or Oregon State 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:16.000 where they're maybe completing an internship or a practicum, 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.000 we have them go through and spend time with each of those different officers to see 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.000 those different styles, those different ways of working with people because 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.000 what works with one isn't necessarily gonna work for another person. 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.000 People aren't all the same so being able to learn those 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:37.000 those different techniques, those different styles, being able to find something that works for 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.000 them ultimately, in the long term, it is very beneficial so 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.000 it's awesome having those different life experiences 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:48.000 to pull from. Those different soft skills. 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.000 Some people are just very black and white. Some people need that gray 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:59.000 so working with Autistic youth, being able to be very, very concrete 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.000 is helpful for that specific population that we work with. 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:10.000 Some people just need that more abstract, they need to have not 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:17.000 necessarily those clear cut boundaries so it's nice having different styles of probation officers 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.000 working with kids. 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:24.000 Jennifer: I think that's such a great opportunity for our students. To be able to work with different people within a specific 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:29.000 field and kind of learn the different personalities and remember the human aspect. 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:33.000 That yes, there's other things going on in our private lives that may impact our jobs, 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:39.000 our work styles, our work preferences, and even though you're an officer and there's 20 different officers in a building, 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:45.000 everyone is gonna be doing their job in a different way from a different perspective from a different lens. 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:55.000 music: Sweet Caroline by Neil Diamond 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:57.000 gun shots in time with music 00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:61.000 Jennifer: You talked earlier about how you never truly shut off. 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:05.000 You know, this is an officer thinking, "I'm trained, I'm alert, I have it all the time." 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.000 How do you see that in your real life? 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:11.000 For me, it's true. I feel I do. 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:20.000 Anywhere I go, I have that heightened sense, what a lot of us like to call, "yellow alert." Constantly in yellow alert 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:25.000 whether it's going out to dinner, sitting where you sit when you go out to dinner, or if you're riding 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.000 public transportation where you're sitting and how you're observing. 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:37.000 At home, I do feel pretty confident that if someone breaks into my house, it's not gonna be a good day for them. 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:42.000 And that's just the precautions I've taken and the steps I've taken to do that. 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.000 I'm not gonna have that big smile on my face like that, but 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:53.000 I feel that it's not gonna work out well for that person if they break into my house. 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:58.000 Yup, my wife and kids and I, just like we train on a fire 00:33:58.000 --> 00:33:61.000 if something happens in the house, where are they gonna go? How are they gonna get out of the house? 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:07.000 We have the same thing if someone's outside the house or coming into the house. They know exactly what to do. Go to a bedroom, 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:14.000 find Mom, Mom's gonna call 911 and give the description of what I'm wearing so if something happens 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:18.000 when responding officers arrive, they know who I am 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.000 and who this other person is so it's just being prepared. That's all that is. 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:27.000 Jennifer: Many of you articulated that you live and work in the communities that you serve. 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.000 Do you have plans or 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:35.000 key words or code words that you work out with your family in case you see someone out at the 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.000 grocery store that maybe you had an interaction with at work or 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:43.000 you have a history or you know something about them and perhaps you want to keep your 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:52.000 family unknown to them or secret. Do you worry about that, first of all, and if you do, do you have a plan set out? 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:57.000 Yeah, it's real for me. I shop at the same place most of my clients go. 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:62.000 It was much more when my kid was young. My kid's 20 now so it's not quite as big a deal 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:08.000 and it depends on what relationship I have with the client in the first place. Some of those clients 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.000 we become super important to them and when they see us in public, 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.000 they want to acknowledge that we're there and they want to come and interact with us. 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:20.000 And so, yeah, I would tell my wife 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:27.000 and she knew that meant to go away because someone was coming to me or I would say something and I would just wander 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.000 two isles away from where they were so they could do their thing. 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:37.000 But yeah, something is always on. We're walking on the sidewalk, if I see somebody that I know or I don't like the looks of 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:41.000 she gets moved to the inside, I move to the outside. I mean, 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:46.000 sitting in a restaurant, I never have my back to a door, ever. 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.000 Yeah, it plays into your every day life 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:54.000 as a good thing or a bad thing, I'm not sure which one it is, but it just is what it is. 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.000 Tony: We actually have part of our 00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:64.000 in house academy that we do for all our new recruits, one of the classes that we put them through is 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:08.000 how to prepare yourself off duty 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:16.000 and when you're off duty, what you should be doing to make yourself safe. 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:21.000 And it goes through a lot of the stuff like he was talking about down there, you know, having 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:26.000 those code words, knowing where to go, who to call. 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:32.000 When it comes to code words, I don't really have a code word, but I don't have kids living in the house anymore, but 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.000 if my wife is in bed and I'm out and I'm coming home and she's in bed, I have to actually 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:42.000 text her and let her know that I'm coming in the house because she's been taught to protect herself, too. 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:46.000 So I have to let her know that I'm coming in. 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:51.000 Yeah, it's just different being in this line of work. Just the lens that you 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:57.000 you see the world through. My 95 year old neighbor, we live 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:61.000 very, very close. I help him out, he lives there by himself. 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:09.000 He very kind hearted person, is always looking to help folks out and 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:13.000 puts himself in precarious situations with 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.000 people coming and looking for gas. Well, they're 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:23.000 indicating that they're out of gas, but really, they're coming to see what he has 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:30.000 and there are some people that are down on their luck and really just need 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.000 in need of a little help, but unfortunately where we live, 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:40.000 just south of town there's a lot of folks that merge right off of 99. 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:44.000 They're looking for opportunities. So 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:48.000 when people come to my door, compared to his door, 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:54.000 there's just a different interaction that we have. There's a different level of preparedness 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:61.000 that they face coming to my door compared to coming to his door. 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:07.000 He's very welcoming, wanting to help so different folks just 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:14.000 look at the world differently and it's not just that one neighbor, it's many of the neighbors 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:18.000 out in that area that I live just 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:25.000 the way that they see people potentially in difficult situations, down on their luck, 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.000 facing hard times, they want to help. We all want to help, 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.000 we just look at it a little differently and 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.000 Jennifer: Your lens is a little bit more scrutinizing. 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:40.000 Not that you don't understand and aren't empathetic, but just there's a different perspective 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.000 that you approach it from. 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:48.000 Rob: Approach, a different level of safety that we approach those individuals would. 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:53.000 Jennifer: Alright, we just have a few more minutes. We're gonna blind react just a couple more times. 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:89.000 music and audience cheering 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:33.000 I sometimes watch these videos and I wonder if people in criminal justice positions 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:40.000 one, are weary of, you want to appear human, but you also don't want to appear unprofessional. 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:46.000 So there's a fine line between engaging with the crowd and having fun and showing them a human side 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:53.000 and also embarrassing yourself and your agency by doing something inappropriate or that could be perceived as inappropriate. 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:55.000 So not that that was in this video, but 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.000 you know, sort of other videos that we might see. Where do you draw that line 00:39:59.000 --> 00:39:63.000 personally and what do you think about when you think that out in the world, 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:07.000 other agencies, other officers, other professionals? 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.000 Yeah, so that kind of stuff is super important, but that's also more probably that 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:18.000 officer's personality. Like I'm not a dancer so you'll never see me out there dancing and being confident like that just because 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:24.000 I'm a terrible dancer and I'd be on there because they'd be laughing at me not as a positive thing, but it goes back to the 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:30.000 showing that, hey, we are just people just like you guys. We also enjoy concerts, we like to dance, we like to have fun, 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.000 and not everybody grew up having good experiences with people so for someone to be able to go out and 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:41.000 have this fun, this isn't a criminal thing, this isn't a bad day, this is just a good day, having a good experience with an officer 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:45.000 can completely turn somebody's life around as far as 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:52.000 whether or not they're gonna like police in the future or not so those kind of interactions are super important and 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.000 I don't think anyone's agency would be about seeing someone do something like that. 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:59.000 Yes, some people can do some things that they might get talked about, but something like that 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:08.000 I think most places would encourage you be yourself and have fun and do something positive like that. 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:15.000 Tony: I think, first off, that guy is really happy because he's making a ton of overtime being at the ballgame. 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.000 I like the, "shout out to this Atlanta officer, we need to see more of this." 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:28.000 Well, I honestly think there is a lot more of this than people know about. It just doesn't make it to the social media 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:35.000 because we're not out there trying to get ourselves on social media constantly because it's not part of our job. 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:40.000 If we get on it because someone was filming us, that's great, 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:47.000 but it's usually the negative stuff that gets on the social media. The stuff that people wanna put out there and 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:54.000 say bad things about us, but I think that happens a lot more than what people think it happens. 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:59.000 Rob: It can go both ways, if something bad were to have happened and he 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:05.000 missed it because he was acting that way, you're absolutely gonna hear about that as well. 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:11.000 Having that balance, you know, there's definitely people that are out there having fun, having great interactions with the community, 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:19.000 being absolutely consummate professionals and there's people that are a little more reserved and 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:26.000 you know, still having good interactions with the public, but a situation like that could go both ways. 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:32.000 That could be something that blows up on social media because an officer was acting, 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:39.000 having a good time, not focused on necessarily doing another aspect of your job, and something got missed. 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:44.000 Jennifer: Having seen all these TikToks and giving your reactions and seeing what's out there, 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:48.000 does it shift your mentality about what you might wanna do or not do in 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:56.000 making connections in your job, might you embrace social media a bit more, seeing the power of what you're doing here? 00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:64.000 Just final thoughts about what you've seen and maybe what you'll be doing or have done or do to make those connections. 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:11.000 Tony: I think, as a recruiter, we have to embrace social media. It's a part of recruiting. 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:18.000 We have to put ourselves out there and be seen and show what our agency is and what we do 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:25.000 and I think all of the other agencies would agree. It's not going away, obviously, and we need to use it. 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:32.000 And we're just now trying to figure out how to do that, as far as our recruitment team goes, how to do it successfully. 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.000 Jennifer: You could do some blind reacts 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:43.000 Tony: Right, but our interactions, we have to have, I think law enforcement has to 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:49.000 have fun doing their job. It's not going always going to be to that extent, but if you go through a career and you just 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:57.000 not having fun, you're gonna burn out. I have fun at my job every day. I find ways to have a good time, 00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:63.000 but still professionally do my job, but I'm not gonna take it seriously all the time. 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:08.000 Jennifer: Alright, well I think that's a great note to end on. 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:13.000 Thank you so much panelist for being candid and transparent and having a laugh with us, 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:19.000 giving us some very information and perspective on some of the silly things that we see on social media, 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:25.000 and I would invite you all to leave your contact information so students can reach you 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:30.000 and again, thank you so much for your time and consideration here at Western Oregon University. 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.000 All: Thank you so much 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:44.000 music