WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.000 music. 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Trevor Jackson: So we're in here this morning, we're going to talk about ALICE which is a proactive response to these actives killers that have been 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:16.000 plaguing our society. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:19.000 So today we're going to talk about violent intruders. 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:24.000 We're going to have a frank discussion about your safety so that is your trigger warning, if you need to step outside, 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:31.000 when we start talking about things that are difficult for you, make sure to step outside or get in touch with the counseling center afterwards. 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:36.000 We're going to talk about the history of violent intruders and active killers, 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:40.000 We're primarily be talking about active shooters today, but I want to make sure 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:45.000 that we understand that active killer is also something here, I don't want to just 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:50.000 have us believing that a threat can come from 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:55.000 a firearm, it's also somebody coming in with an edged weapon like a knife, something of that nature, okay? 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:60.000 We're going to talk about lockdown, what we know it as, what the K-12 schools are teaching right now, 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:04.000 What's wrong with it, what the good parts of it are. 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:10.000 We're going to talk about law enforcement's response, what it has been, how it's changed over the course of history. 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:13.000 Faculty, Staff and student response, what it has been. 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.000 And what we need to change about it. 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:20.000 And then ALICE which is Alert Lockdown Inform Counter and Evacuate. 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:24.000 We'll talk about all of those individually in a little bit. 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:31.000 So really quick, why do we do these different drills, why do we do fire drills, earthquake, tornado, tsunami, why do we do them? 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:35.000 Woman: Practice, to know what to do, 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:40.000 Trevor Jackson: Right, in the event it happens we know what to do. Anybody do tsunami drills growing up? 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:47.000 I did. No body else lived by the coast? Okay. I have never done a tornado drill in my life, just so you know. 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:55.000 Fire drills, these are just some of the ways we protect ourselves from fire. So we've got the exit signs, maximum occupancy, so you can look around the room, 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:61.000 You can see we've got three exit signs in this one room, we've got the horn strobe here, 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:05.000 Another horn strobe over here, we've got the fire sprinklers heads up here, 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:08.000 Does anybody know what this is? 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:14.000 Yeah, this mess of pipes and everything controls these. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:19.000 And this looks really complicated and it is. 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:22.000 But that's really what they look like. 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:26.000 All of our major buildings that have the fire sprinkler systems have 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:30.000 something in a basement control room that looks very similar to that. 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.000 Also, fire extinguishers, the carpet, 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:40.000 The sheetrock, all of this that we use to build our buildings has to meet a certain fire code. 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:44.000 Okay? To protect ourselves, our kids, from fire. 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:53.000 Does anybody know the last time there was a fire related death in the United States in a K-12 school? 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.000 Think it was in the last 5 or 10 years? 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:63.000 Don't raise your hand. 1959 was the last K-12 death in the United States 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:08.000 from a fire, okay? Let's look at shootings. 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:17.000 Marysville Washington in 14, 5 killed. Santa Monica College in 13. We remember Sandy Hook in 2012. 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:21.000 Okios University in 2012. Northern Illinois University in 08. 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:30.000 Of course, Virginia Tech in 07 we remeber that, 33. Red Lake Senior High in 05. And then just in Oregon. 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:37.000 Since '98, and these here, I took where there were 5 or more deaths. 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:44.000 Okay? And then I took all the ones here in Oregon since '98. 2 dead, 23 injured in Springfield in '98. 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:49.000 Roseburg in '06, there was one in Troutdale in '14, 1 dead 2 injured. 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.000 Portland in '14 and Bend in '14. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:59.000 Okay, then of course we remember UCC down in Roseburg, what was that, a little over a month ago. 00:03:59.000 --> 00:03:64.000 I haven't addd that onto the powerpoint yet, not because I'm lazy and I don't want to put it on there, 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:12.000 But because there hasn't been any real official documentation or investigation information come out yet. 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:16.000 And so all the information I'd be working off of is the media 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:20.000 And they're in the entertainment business not the information business. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.000 So I want to be kind of careful about that, if you have specific questions about that, 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:31.000 Certainly bring them up, we can talk about it, but I want to be really careful as far as what we talk about because we don't really know what happened yet. 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:39.000 So, having this in mind, so 1959 was the last death from a fire, 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:46.000 And the look at what's going on with the shooting. So we're not really protecting ourselves from what's killing us and our kids. 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:51.000 So, change gears little bit. What is lockdown? What we know it as. Who did lockdown 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:56.000 In their highschools, okay. What did you do in your lockdown? 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:63.000 Woman: Over the intercome it would do a certain code and you would know that that was the lockdown signal 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:11.000 and you'd go back to the back of the classroom and you'd shut the lights off and lock the door and you'd have to get low down to the ground. 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.000 Trevor Jackson: What was your code? 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.000 Woman: Mr. Green please come to the Library. 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:24.000 Trevor Jackson: Mr. Green please come to the library, okay that's interesting, we'll talk about that in a little bit. So this is that most of your schools are doing. 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:28.000 Is locking the door, turning off the lights, closing the blinds. 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.000 Getting against the walls away from the doors and windows. 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:36.000 Does anybody know where that comes from? Where lockdown originated? And it's not from the prisons. 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:40.000 Anybody have an idea? 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:45.000 Not necessarily, no. 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.000 In the 1970s, 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:54.000 In Los Angeles there started to be a lot of gang warfare and the gangs would start shooting each other outside of the schools. 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:57.000 So, in response to 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:62.000 that situation, the schools developed the plan of lockdown. 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.000 Which is where, let's secure the outside of the building, 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:09.000 Let's get the kids away from the doors and windows to protect them from stray gunfire. 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.000 And wait for the police to show up and handle the situation outside. 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.000 Makes perfect sense, right? 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.000 The fire arms started coming into the schools and we didn't change what we were doing, but LA started 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.000 this lockdown program that spread across the nation, 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:28.000 and so ever since the 1980s this has been our response 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:35.000 to gunplay around the schools. But does that makes sense when the fire arms are in the school and people are shooting in the school? 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:36.000 Okay, we'll talk about it. 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:44.000 Lockdown's a great starting point and it should be an option, but it can't be our only option, now let's found out why. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:48.000 The average emergency goes on for 3 to 5 minutes, 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:55.000 before someone calls 911, anyone want to take a guess at why that is? 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:60.000 Yeah, you get a little bit of the bystandard effect but a lot of it, 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:04.000 panic, 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:08.000 when you get that adrenaline, you're in a life threatening situation, 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:12.000 and your heart rate goes up over 145 beats a minute and I'm sure a lot of you guys understand this better than I do, 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:17.000 your heart rate goes up over 145 beats a minute and your frontal lobe shuts down. 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:22.000 So you start to think with your instincts, just that animal portion in your brain is what you're functioning off of. 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.000 Your survival instincts, your fight, flight or freeze. Okay? 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:29.000 Does the animal part of your brain know to call 911 to get the police there? 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:34.000 Because back in the caveman days, when that fight, flight or freeze worked perfectly, 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.000 we didn't have 911 or the police. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:40.000 So your brain doesn't know to call 911, because you're only thinking with the animal portion of it. 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:48.000 So that first 3 to 5 minutes goes on before somebody's frontal lobe starts working enough typically to call 911. 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:52.000 Then you're on the phone with dispatch and call takers for another 2 minutes. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:59.000 And then the response time, so that's the police officer's driving. From the time they get the information on the radio to the time they arrive. 00:07:59.000 --> 00:07:66.000 And this isn't they're engaging people this is they're pulling up to the building and they reach over and hit the button on their computer that says I'm arriving on scene. 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:10.000 That's a total of 8 to 12 minutes that it's going to take 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.000 the police to get to an emergency on average. 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:19.000 Let's look at if that's going to be enough time. So Columbine in '99. 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:29.000 That's a total of 49 minutes with 13 victims dead, and 24 injured. 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:35.000 They went back and they investigated this, looked into it watched the video footage, did their investigation and talked to everybody, 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:41.000 found out that they were actively shooting at people for 8 and a half minutes. 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:44.000 That's one person shot every 13 seconds. 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:48.000 How many does 13 seconds go into 8 to 12 minutes? 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:56.000 It's rhetorical, you don't have to answer, I haven't actually done that math, I ask it every time but I'm not sure either. 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:63.000 There was a school resource officer that was on the campus at 11:19 when this started happening. 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.000 It took him 7 and half minutes to get there. 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.000 So we have Virginia Tech. 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:13.000 April 16th, 2007, 9:42am. Gunman enters Norris Hall. 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.000 Total of 8 minutes he was shooting, 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:21.000 With 30 victims dead and 17 wounded. That's one person shot every 10.2 seconds. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:27.000 Again rhetorical, how many times does 10.2 go into 8 to 12 minutes. 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:35.000 If you know about what happened at Virginia Tech, this guy he shot and killed 2 people in the dormitory. 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.000 The police, the Virginia Tech Police Department was on scene at that 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:44.000 So they were doing a double homicide investigation, they'd already deployed their SWAT team. 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:49.000 And the University of Virginia Tech actually has, their SWAT team has 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:52.000 Excuse me, their Police Department has a SWAT team. 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.000 So their SWAT team was already deployed they were at the building. 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:61.000 Helping with this investigation, when he started to shoot in Norris Hall. 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:06.000 The SWAT team was already deployed, it took him 8 minutes to get there. They were 800 yards away. 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.000 Okay? 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:12.000 So we know if this happens, we've got about 8 minutes. 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.000 Before a police officer is going to show up to help us. 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:20.000 So, let's look at some lessons learned here in Columbine. 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:23.000 The faculty, staff and students, 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:28.000 Their response was lockdown and wait for the police, they did what everyone is trained to do. 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:32.000 The police response at that time was to set up a perimeter 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:38.000 Establish communications with the shooter and wait for the tactical team, the SWAT guys to show up. 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:43.000 After Columbine, law enforcement looked at that, we looked at our response. 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.000 And realized that we has a perimeter set up, 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:53.000 and we still had kids dying inside. We had police officers outside with a perimeter set up, and there were kids being killed inside the building. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:57.000 So law enforcement knew, 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:62.000 that that was unacceptable and we cannot try to establish communications anymore, we can't set up a perimeter. 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:06.000 So, across the nation, 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:11.000 What the new training and what police are doing, 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.000 depending on the size of your agency, the first 3 to 5 guys that show up, 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:19.000 or like I'm from the coast, in a small town, where you're the only cop in 30 miles so 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:23.000 You are the entry team. But typically it's the first 3 officers that show up, 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.000 You are entry team, the first 3 guys who get there, they go toward the sound of the gunshot. 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:33.000 We don't wait for the SWAT team anymore. That's what they did at Virginia Tech. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.000 The police advanced to the threat and neutralized it. They didn't try to set up communications, 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:43.000 They didn't try to do a perimeter, they went toward the gunshots as absolutely fast as they can. 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:51.000 They faculty, staff and students did the same in Virginia Tech as they did in Columbine, they locked down and waited for police. What happened? 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:55.000 More people died in Virginia Tech than in Columbine. 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:63.000 The police are getting there as absolutely fast as they can, they cannot get there any faster, they cannot do anymore than they are already doing. 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:07.000 So to effect this change, 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.000 we can't do anything here, it has to be over here. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:14.000 So what do we do? There isn't a one size fits all plan. 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:23.000 And we don't want there to be. We don't want everybody to be told to lockdown and hide under the table. We just want to give everybody options. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:27.000 ALICE. Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter and Evacuate. 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:32.000 Alert is going to be the way that you learn about it, and I'll go over these all in detail here in a minute. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:36.000 Lockdown is going to be just that securing in place, 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:41.000 If you'e unable to evacuate. Information, that's going to be information sharing back and forth. 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.000 it's very important that everybody sharing information. You guys are sharing information with each other, 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:49.000 I'm sharing information with you, you're sharing information with me. 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:54.000 Countering, that's going to be the last resort, that's going to be fighting back if you absolutely have to. 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:61.000 And then evacuation is your first option of running. This is not a chronological process, they just didn't like the sound of LICE. 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:05.000 This is how you learn about it, you could hear gunshots. 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.000 Hear screaming, see people running. 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:12.000 You could see the shooter, you might get a text message from a friend, 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:16.000 Maybe something over social media. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.000 It could come over facebook, if that happens 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:25.000 and there's a big facebook message that goes out about this, I want you guys to call me because I don't have facebook so you need to let me know. 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:34.000 The WOU alert system. So everybody's automatically opted into the WOU alert, but is everybody, 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:39.000 went into their portal and changed their options and got their phone number on there? 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.000 I recommend you do that, you don't have to but 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:48.000 you can select if you want the WOU alert system to text message you or to call you, 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.000 or whatever sequence, you can go there and look at that, so I recommend you do that. 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:58.000 You can also, recent thing, you can go in and student can add 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:64.000 like a parent or something, I've gotten field where I've got my fianc' in there, so you can also do that if you like. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:12.000 This is also the way you alert other people, so as I'm running away from the building, 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:17.000 I'm yelling at people, "there's a gunman in the university center, gunman in the university center" 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:25.000 We need to alert as many people as quickly as we can to get everybody out of the danger zone. 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:28.000 You're going to want to 911 immediately. 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:32.000 But we don't want you to delay evacuation, we talked about 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:37.000 your heart rate getting up, and your frontal lobe shutting down, and this is kind of a rhetorical question, 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.000 I don't want to bring up any bad memories, but has anybody ever had to dial 911? 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:50.000 When you're scared or frightened or just in motor vehicle accident or something? I can text message like crazy but when my life is threatened trying to dial 911, 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.000 is extremely difficult. You have to stop 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.000 snd concentrate what you're doing because your dexterity is gone, 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:60.000 okay, we don't want you to stop and be trying to call 911, okay? 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:04.000 Get out of the danger area, this is about you get yourself out of the danger area, 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:08.000 and then call 911. So here's where we're going to talk 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:14.000 about codes. Does anybody know what code white is? 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.000 If you're in a hospital? 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:21.000 You're sitting in over in Salem Hospital and you hear over the loudspeaker, "Code white in the third floor hallway" 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.000 Do you have any idea what you're supposed to do? 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:31.000 So there's a federal agency that makes recommendations to hospitals, 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:36.000 I don't remember the agency's name, but their recommendation 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.000 for an active shooter in a hospital, the code is code white. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.000 And that's the thing, this is just a recommendation, 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:46.000 Hospitals don't have to do that. 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:51.000 So Corvallis, and there was a guy he was in a session here a couple weeks ago and he came up to me and said 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:62.000 So you got to different hospitals and it's different. How many people in that hospital are going to know what that code means? 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.000 I'm not. Okay? 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:08.000 And even if you know what it means at one hospital, do you know what it's going to mean at the other one? 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:12.000 Okay? So we don't want to use codes because now if you're in that hospital, 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:18.000 And you hear there's a gunman in the third floor hallway, gunman third floor hallway, do you know what to do now? 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.000 At least you're not going to the third floor hallway right? 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:24.000 I at least have that much information. 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:28.000 So, we want to get away from codes, and I'm not saying 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:32.000 that codes shouldn't exist at all, 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.000 Lost kid in walmart, they want to use a code for that that's fine. 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:40.000 But when it comes down to everybody's livelihood and there's a gunman, 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:44.000 We don't want codes, we want plain language, we want somebody on a loud speaker, 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:50.000 Saying "There's a gunman, he's wearing a grey shirt, he's in Willamette room in the university center, he's short and kinda bald." 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:54.000 Okay? And that way everybody has the information to work off of. 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:58.000 Lockdown. So expanding on this a little bit. 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:60.000 We're not just hiding under the tables. 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:04.000 Securing in place is a term I like to use. 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:08.000 A lot of people say barricading, we want to lock to the doors, turn off the lights 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:14.000 Hide in the corners, these shooters are notorious for not clearing their corners, which means 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:21.000 there's a doorway here and I walk into that doorway and I don't check around either side of the corners there, 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.000 That's not clearing your corners, 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:28.000 they're notorious for walking in and just being focused on the middle of the room. 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:32.000 So I'm going to be hiding right on either side of the door. 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.000 Barricading the entry points, let's talk about barricading really quick, 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:41.000 Cause this is a really interesting room, I don't know if anybody else is uncomfortable in here, but I'm pretty uncomfortable in this room. 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:46.000 How can we barricade ourselves in here? 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:54.000 So if they have and edged weapon we can probably pretty effectively barricade. 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:61.000 But, if they have a firearm, they're easily going to be able to shoot through those doors, 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:04.000 break it out and come through. 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:08.000 So what's our other option? 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:12.000 Evacuate out the back. 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:17.000 Yeah, okay, and that's tough, you know that's going to be really hard. 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:23.000 That's going to be scary, you don't know if they're going to come back around that way, 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:27.000 You're doing that chasing around the kitchen thing like little kids, right? 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:32.000 So, it's tough okay? 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:36.000 But what I would do, because I know there are bathrooms over there, 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.000 I would immediately evacuate out of there and go to the bathroom. 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:44.000 Okay, and try to barricade myself in there. 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:48.000 Or wait until I could maybe know that the shooter is in here, 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:56.000 But just for good measure, 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:62.000 How can we barricade these doors? 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:09.000 How could we prevent somebody from coming through, because we have a lot of doors like this on campus, how do we do that? 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.000 So we can ties these together, right? 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.000 So a lot of doors on campus have these bars right here in the middle, 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:24.000 You can with both the doors clothes, you can run a belt, or maybe a sweatshirt 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:28.000 you know, take your shoelaces or anything and run through there and tie that 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:33.000 Also, the closures that have the little A frame at the top of them, 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:39.000 You can reach up there and tie an extension cord, or anything around it to prevent that door from opening. 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:44.000 Also running something around here, and the other door. Okay? 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.000 What about just a regular knob? 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.000 If we can't lock it? Or even if we can lock it? 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.000 So, I would, if I had a belt, 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:61.000 Take the belt off, tie it around the handle and then stand off to the side, and that way if they're shooting through the door, 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:06.000 I'm in relative safety but able to hold the door closed at the same time. 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:12.000 Okay. Preparing to evacuate. So 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:16.000 in this room, I would 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:20.000 probably not be looking a whole lot at barricading. My option 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:24.000 is either going to be to evacuate or to counter. There's not a lot of 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:28.000 good option here as far as barricading and preventing somebody from entering 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:32.000 of this room is probably evacuating out the back. 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:36.000 But if you're in a different room where you can 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:40.000 in relative safety and you can barricade while you're trying to figure out 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:44.000 another way to get out of the room, while you're trying to break the windows out you can have some people 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:48.000 throwing desks, tables, and chairs in front of doors, tying the doors closed 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:56.000 while you're trying to break the windows out. Because these windows, it's not like you see on T.V. where you wrap T-shirt around your hand and punch through it, it doesn't work. 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:62.000 Preparing to counter, gathering weapons of opportunity. What's a weapon of opportunity? 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.000 Audience: A chair. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:08.000 A chair? Absolutely. A pair of scissors 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:12.000 Okay. Would this be a weapon of opportunity? Yeah, absolutely. 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:16.000 So does anybody do any shooting, like sport shooting? 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:21.000 Yeah? Okay what does it take to shoot accurately, what do you have to do? 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:30.000 Concentration, right? So you've got to have your target acquisition, a sight alignment, your breathing comes into play. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:39.000 Your grip, your stance, trigger control. All those things come into play. What's it take to send a text message? 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:46.000 A lot less than that right? Imagine he's sending a text message and I throw this in his face. 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:49.000 Is it going to stop him from doing what he's doing? 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.000 For a second it will. 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:56.000 So, now am I saying that this is my best opportunity? No. 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:62.000 I'm going to pick that chair up if it's next to me but if this is all I have then it's what I'm going to throw. 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:10.000 And it's going to cause a bit of a disruption, we'll talk about that in a little bit. So, information. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:17.000 Reading slide. 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:21.000 The information portion of this needs to be all directions. 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:25.000 We want law enforcement sharing information with 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:32.000 the public, we want the public sharing information with law enforcement, we want administration involved in that, sharing information both ways. 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:37.000 One of the things that I envision 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:42.000 heaven forbid this actually ever happen here but if it does 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:47.000 and we're getting phone calls and people are saying, "Hey the shooter is on the second floor of HSS." 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:53.000 Hopefully we have enough people here that I've got somebody parked up the middle of Monmouth Ave. 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.000 with the public address system on the patrol car, 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:60.000 calling out saying, "we're getting reports that the gunman is on the second floor of HSS 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:05.000 he's on the second floor of HSS" and we're announcing that over the loud speaker across campus. 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:11.000 So that way, not only is it going to provide you guys information hat you can use to protect yourselves, 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:16.000 but it's also going to throw them off. Because imagine me 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:24.000 if I'm the shooter and I'm outside here and I hear over the intercom or loudspeaker 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:32.000 that the shooter is in a grey shirt, bald, short guy, and he's outside the Willamette room in the University Center. 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:36.000 Is that going to throw me off a little bit? It is right? 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:40.000 I'm going to know that they know exactly where I'm at. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.000 Information should be clear, direct. Don't use code words. We talked about that. 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:48.000 Because just like the example here at little bit earlier, 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:54.000 if you went to visit her school and it was Mr. Green. 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:57.000 Mr. Green please come to the library. 00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:61.000 And you're like oh Mr. Green needs to go to the library. You have no idea as a visitor 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:05.000 that you're life is in immediate danger. Okay. 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:08.000 So countering, this is your last resort. 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:16.000 Please understand that Western does not require you to do anything. I'm not telling you that you have to fight back. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:20.000 But I am telling you that you can if you want to. 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:24.000 We want to empower you to make a decision about your safety. 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:28.000 Reading third line. 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:36.000 The media has made these guys out to be tactical masters. And the fact is they're 16, 17, 18 year old kids. 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:40.000 That are not tactical masters, they don't even clear their corners. 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.000 It's not that hard to take them on. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.000 If you have a little bit of confidence and know how. 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:50.000 We're going to watch this video clip real quick. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:19.000 So that was Greg Crane, he's the original kind of creator of ALICE. 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:23.000 He started the program back in 2001. 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:38.000 So we're going to talk a little bit about reactionary time. Has anybody heard of OODA Loop? 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.000 It's basically your decision making process. 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:48.000 This is what your mind has to go through, this loop to make a decision. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:58.000 I'm driving down the road in my vehicle and a deer steps out in front of me. In order for me to take my foot off the throttle 00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:61.000 and apply it onto the break I have to go through an OODA Loop. 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:11.000 And this is not only reactionary, this is a simple thing and I'm standing there and want to pick my laser pointer up off the table. 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:19.000 You do this thousands of times a day. So I'm driving down the road, Bambi steps out in front of me, 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:25.000 first I have to observe that that happened. I have to see that Bambi's in the road. 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.000 And then I have to orient to it, and this doesn't mean orienting my body 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:32.000 like moving my foot to cover the break, this means 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:37.000 orienting my mind. So now my mind has to okay I'm in a motor vehicle, I'm driving and 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:44.000 the deer is in my lane of travel and I have to do something. Okay, that's what orient is. And then decide. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.000 And decide is just that. What am I going to do now? 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:56.000 Am I going to swerve, am I going to try and apply the breaks, am I going to try and do both? 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:63.000 And then the action process, which is actually doing that. So observe, orient, decide, and act. 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:10.000 The absolute fastest you can do that process is .52 seconds. 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:16.000 That record, that .52 seconds is not something you can train yourself to be better at. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:23.000 That .52 second was not set by somebody in the British SAS or 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:31.000 a Green Beret or some Navy Seal on team six, that was set by a 50 year old retired stripper. 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:37.000 Okay, so it doesn't matter how much training you have. The fastest you can do that is .52 seconds. 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.000 And in all honesty, when you're in a motor vehicle, 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.000 if I am driving down the road and I am expecting to have to stop 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:50.000 I am expecting that deer out there, to take my foot off the throttle and put it on the break, 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:55.000 takes just over .74 seconds on average. 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.000 If I'm driving down that same road not expecting to have to stop, 00:30:59.000 --> 00:30:63.000 It's 1.56 seconds on average. 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:09.000 Okay, so if anybody tells you that a one second following distance is enough they're wrong, unless you're expecting to have to stop. 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:15.000 So, I want to do a little example of this. Can I get a volunteer real quick? 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:23.000 Over here. So now face me, so get your little finger gun out. 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:28.000 Okay how often do we see this in the movies? 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:35.000 All the time. And I'm going to do absolutely anything she says because she's got a gun in my face, right? 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:43.000 But I'm not because I know her reaction is not as fast as my action. 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:49.000 And so, as soon as you see me move I want you to say bang. 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:58.000 Okay now for demonstrate where was your hand at when you said bang? It was about there? My head was about there when she said bang. 00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:65.000 So I'm going to do the exact same thing. So get your finger out there, let's go ahead and cock it 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:11.000 kind of help you and give you a bit of an advantage. Okay ready? Put it in the middle of my head. Okay ready? 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:21.000 Okay you weren't ready for me to defend myself, she wasn't ready for me to defend myself. I'm sorry, she never even said bang. Okay. 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.000 Are you ready? 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:33.000 Okay where was your hand at? Up there? Okay, please understand that I'm not showing you this so that you can disarm people, that's not the idea. 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:36.000 The whole point of this process and showing you this 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:40.000 is reaction and so we're talking about firearms 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.000 and active killers, that's kind of a good example. 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:48.000 But you can do this, and I'm going to win this every single time. 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:52.000 This isn't because I'm some Judo master, I have a whole lot of training. 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:61.000 All this is is that I know that I can act faster than she can react. So why am I going to beat her every single time? 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.000 Audience murmur. 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:12.000 She's not expecting it, but she was. The second and third time she knew, I told her I was going to do the same exact thing. 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.000 Audience member: You don't have to think about it but she has to go through that process. 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:25.000 Exactly, because I observe gun in my face, oriented to it, decided what do to, and then acted on it. 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:32.000 I'm at action and she has to start at observe, orient, decide, and act. 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:40.000 So I'm going to win that every single time. And we can swap and she's going to beat me every single time. Thanks Karen, I appreciate it. 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:47.000 So and the idea with that is that you get offline with it 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.000 and you wrap the firearm at the same time you deliver a hand strike to the 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:58.000 a palm heel strike o the face and once you deliver that palm heel strike 00:33:58.000 --> 00:33:63.000 because they were at observe, they were moving towards orient because you were moving, 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.000 you hit them in the face and they reset to observe. 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:12.000 And then I grab them around the back of the neck and then I knee them in the stomach. 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:18.000 So they were just like, "Oh man I got hit in the face." They were trying to orient to that and then they have to go back to observe. 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:23.000 And then they're trying to orient and decide what to do and then I throw them on the ground and then they go back to observe. 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:32.000 So as long as you can win that OODA Loop process you're going to win every time. It's just an OODA Loop race and you're going to win every time. 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.000 So police miss 80 percent of their shots during dynamic events. 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:43.000 Just a little fact for you. And it's because of the stress, fine motor skills degrading, 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:47.000 After 145 beats a minute, frontal lobe is shutting down. 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:53.000 Only 10 percent of gunshot wounds are lethal. So, 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:56.000 The way this was put to me, 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:60.000 if you realize you've been shoot, you're going to survive it. 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.000 So, if you're in one of these situations and you get shot, 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:11.000 without our medical technology today, they're going to be able save you,so just because you get shot doesn't mean its over, keep fighting. 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:16.000 There was that guy in Roseburg here recently who was shot seven times, 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:21.000 According to the media reports, I haven't confirmed any of that yet, 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.000 Seven times, okay? And he survived that. 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.000 So you can get shot and survive it. 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:32.000 Evacuation. This is your first option, or it's my first option. 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.000 And this is what I encourage you to do if at all possible, is to evacuate. 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:41.000 The natural human response to a threat is flight, fight or freeze. 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.000 And all we're doing with this ALICE program 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:48.000 is just taking those natural human responses and allowing you to do them. 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:52.000 Want to leave the danger area as quickly as you can, okay? 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:59.000 This is running, this is not a fire drill, we are not lining up behind a kindergarten teacher, single file at the door and walking out. 00:35:59.000 --> 00:35:63.000 We are absolutely running as fast as we can because our life is threatened. 00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:07.000 If i'm standing here, 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:15.000 And you're going to throw a water balloon at me, is it going to be difficult to hit me, just standing here, not moving. 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:21.000 No, not really at all. What if I'm moving kind of forward and back? 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.000 It changes thing a little bit, right? 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.000 It's a little bit harder, but it's still possible. 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:34.000 What if I'm moving laterally, and I'm not going to jump around up here like a fool in front of you guys, 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:41.000 But if I'm moving laterally, in an unpredictable way, is that going to make it a lot harder to hit me with a water balloon? 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:46.000 It's a lot harder to shoot accurately, than it is to throw a water balloon. 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:51.000 So if you're moving laterally, it's going to be very hard to hit somebody. 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:57.000 So move laterally, run in a zig zag if you're leaving a danger area. 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:60.000 Don't use your vehicle if you're in a danger area. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.000 Use them as cover and concealment. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:08.000 Inevitably there's three types of people in this world, 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.000 There's people who automatically fight, people who automatically freeze, 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:16.000 and people who automatically flee, and run. 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:22.000 I believe that you can train yourself to do one of those, not freeze. 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:26.000 I have people often times say hey I'm a freezer. 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:31.000 When something happens I automatically freeze, mentally prepare yourself for this. 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:36.000 And I'm not saying that you have to get yourself having a high blood pressure like me 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:44.000 because every time you go to a restaurant you have to sit in the back with your back to a wall where you can see the door, 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:50.000 and size up everyone that comes in, instead of listening to your family, you're watching and listening to everyone else's conversation. 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:54.000 Making sure there's not a threat around anywhere. 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.000 But have a little 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:60.000 just run a little movie through your head really quick, 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:03.000 What are you going to do if you see somebody stand at that door with a gun? 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:08.000 I'm going to run out there. Just picture that, man's there with the gun, I'm going to run out that door. 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:14.000 And officer Hansen's back there so kinda get behind him right, he's got a ballistic vest on so 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:18.000 use him as a little bit of your cover and concealment, okay? 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:23.000 So, now if that happens, that's going to be your response to that. 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:29.000 So okay, just think about that, or process, I'm sitting in a classroom, 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:34.000 And my water bottle's here so if somebody opens the door and there's a threat 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:38.000 And I see that threat, I'm going to grab my water bottle and throw it at him. 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.000 And you will do that. 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:47.000 And it doesn't take long to do that, that's going to take half a second to think about, oh there's my water bottle that I can throw. 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:51.000 And you're going to be able to do that, 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:54.000 And in any moment of decision, the best thing to do is the right thing 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.000 The next best thing to do is the wrong thing. 00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:61.000 And the worst thing to do is nothing. Roosevelt said that. 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.000 Now we're going to look a the Columbine library. 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:08.000 So, in essence, what happened in Columbine, 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:12.000 Is we had two gunmen come in and start shooting people in the hallway up here, 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.000 A lot of the people including Patti Nielson, a staff member. 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:22.000 Came in and ran in through this door, down into the library and hid under the desks, tables and chairs. 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.000 Eventually, after shooting people out here, 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:31.000 The two gunmen make their way in, and your can see the green and yellow arrows is them tracking around the library. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.000 In essence just make circles in the library and just shoot and kill most of people inside the library. 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:41.000 What are some other options here? 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:45.000 Instead of hiding under the table, they knew the gunmen where out here, so let's look 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.000 This door way leads to a hallway this goes directly outside, 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:53.000 So keep this in mind, keep in mind 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:58.000 Everybody runs from here, where they know the gunmen are, into here and hide under the tables and chairs. 00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:62.000 Keep that in mind we're going to listen to a 911 call from Patti Nielson and you can also read what's being said. 00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:64.000 So Patti Nielson survived Columbine, she had some glass in her shoulder. 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:08.000 Shrapnel from a broken window. 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.000 What did Patti do protect the the students in Columbine? 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:16.000 Yeah, kept them quiet, kept them under the tables, 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:21.000 She basically did a lock down, right? And you could hear her yelling at people, heads under the tables, stay under the tables. 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:26.000 And she told the call taker that I am on the floor. 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.000 Right? 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:32.000 So, did she do the right thing? 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:43.000 Woman: Well in hindsight it doesn't appears so, because being hunched down, you know you weren't prepared to run, you were just prepared to lay there. 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.000 Trevor Jackson: Uh huh, yeah hindsight being 20/20 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:56.000 No, I don't think so, I want to make it very clear that I think Patti is a hero, why? 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:64.000 She did what she was taught, she did exactly what she was trained to do, and I believe she did it flawlessly and I believe that Patti Nielson is a hero. 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:09.000 But hindsight being 20/20 should we have done something else? 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.000 Yeah, I think we should have. 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:16.000 Did anybody catch what the dispatcher called Patti? Sir. 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:21.000 I didn't catch that first time I listened to, everybody else catches it and makes me feel kind of dumb. 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:27.000 But, you think that dispatcher is a little amped up too? 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:32.000 Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:39.000 Absolutely, you think over Willamette Valley Communications which is the Salem 911 center, 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:47.000 Do you think that those dispatchers and call takers know or have some kind of connection or somebody over there has some kind of connection to the university? 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:52.000 Absolutely, okay? They're going to be amped up. 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:58.000 Why didn't the dispatcher ask if Patti could get out, can you get the kids out of the library? 00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:61.000 Cause she was trained to do the exact same thing that Patti was. 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.000 Lock down and wait for the Police. 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:12.000 They had 4 minutes and 36 seconds to evacuate. Let's go back at look at this, 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:16.000 Four minutes and 36 seconds. 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.000 that those students and Patti 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.000 from the time they ran in here and she got on the phone to 911 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:29.000 four minutes and 36 seconds they had, hiding in here, where they knew the two gunmen were out here. 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:35.000 They had 4 minutes and 36 seconds, four and half minutes to get out of the building, and they didn't do it. Why? 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.000 Because they were trained not to. 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:44.000 You could hear Patti, and I wasn't in the library 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:48.000 I wasn't in the library that day, I don't know, but when I listen to that and I hear Patti, 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:52.000 Get your heads back under the tables kids, heads under the tables. 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.000 She's telling them to get their heads back under the tables, 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:61.000 that tells me that those kid's instincts were to run, those kids wanted to get up and run. 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.000 But they're training kept them there. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.000 Just like in Sandy Hook. 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:14.000 The shooter in Sandy Hook basically went back and forth between two classrooms, and there were kids in the corner and he shot the kids. 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:20.000 Back and forth between two different classrooms. Just continuing to shoot the kids, the kids didn't leave, why? 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:26.000 Because they were trained not to. My daughter, she's 8 years old, she goes to a local school. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:30.000 When I got back from this training, she was 7. 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.000 And so I asked her, I said what kind of drills do you guys do? 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:40.000 She said oh well we do fire drills, we talk about, we do earthquake, we talked about that. She said we do a lockdown drill. 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.000 And I said well what's a lockdown drill? 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:48.000 She says well thats when we all get in the closet where we put our backpacks and we have to get really close and tight together and stay really quiet. 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:53.000 And she says Dad it's not any fun cause you're crammed in there and you gotta stay really quiet, and you can't move. 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.000 Okay. I said, why do you do a lockdown drill? 00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:62.000 And she says, well because there's a bad guy the police are trying to catch and he wants to hurt us. 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:09.000 So at 7 years old, my daughter, and those 2nd grade kids. 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:13.000 They're smart enough to figure out why they're doing a lockdown drill. 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:17.000 We're not going to scare our kids by talking to them about this, they know why they're doing that. 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:22.000 There's a faculty member that came through this, she has an 8 year old son, 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:29.000 Couple days after she came through the session she found me,and said Hey, I had the same conversation with my son that you had with your daughter. 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:33.000 And I when I asked him why he does the lockdown drill, he says, 00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.000 Because there's a robber that wants to hurt us. 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:41.000 Those are not adults words teaching kids, our kids know about this and they know it's a threat. 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:47.000 My daughter is not worried about this, she's not scared, she doesn't have nightmares about it, she's just aware of it. 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:52.000 So we talked about this and I asked her, I said okay well 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:56.000 This bad guy the police are trying to catch, what are you supposed to do if he comes into your classroom? 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:60.000 She says oh we stay really quiet and don't move, 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:08.000 Okay, I said but what if he opens that closet door that you're in. And she says, well dad there's no door on the closet. 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:12.000 Just stick with me here, okay? 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:16.000 What do if he stands infront of that closet and he has a weapon, what are you supposed to do? 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:20.000 And she says, oh we stay really quiet and don't move. 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:24.000 Are you kidding me? My daughter 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.000 would have stayed and got shot, just like the kids in Columbine, 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:31.000 Just like the kids in Sandy Hook, because they aren't allowing her to run. 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:36.000 because lockdown, the conventional wisdom of throwing people under the desk tables 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:40.000 and chairs and just trying to hide them until the police yet there, 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:46.000 My daughter would have stayed there and got shot. So I asked her, I said okay forget what you're supposed to do, 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.000 forget what your teachers tells you to do, 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.000 what should you do? In that situation, that guy steps in front of the closet, 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:58.000 and he has a weapon, what should you do? And I saw her little wheels turning for minute and she said, well I should run. 00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:63.000 Yeah you should run. At 7 years old, my daughter's instincts are smart enough 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:09.000 to know what to do, but she would have stayed there at got shot because she taught to. 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.000 Just like they were taught to do in Columbine. 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:19.000 The shooter of Virginia Tech, he was seen two days beforehand at a gun range, 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:24.000 He had silhouette targets laid out, on either side, just on the ground 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.000 and he was seen with one pistol in each hand, walking along, shooting, 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:32.000 the targets like this on either side of him, why did he do that? 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:36.000 Practice. For what? 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.000 People on the ground hiding under the tables and chairs, 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:46.000 He knew that they would be hiding under the tables and chairs and all he he'd have to do is walk down the rows and shoot them. 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:50.000 Why should people act? 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:55.000 NYPD looked at 202 of these active shooter incidents 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:61.000 And found out that 46 percent of them, so almost half 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:04.000 Did not end without applied force, okay? 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:10.000 A citizen or a police officer used physical aggression and violence to stop this, half of the time. 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.000 It's not going to end, 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:19.000 half of the time until that happens, the majority of these 93 incidents were the citizens not the police. 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:24.000 The other almost half, 40 percent, the shooter 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:28.000 committed suicide or attempted to, okay? So 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:32.000 He was either believed he was about to be challanged, was challenged 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:38.000 and went and tried to commit suicide or he believed that he had killed enough people 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:47.000 and went to kill himself. Him or herself, okay? So we've got pretty much half and half, 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:52.000 So it's 9 out of 10 that do not end until an act of aggression 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:56.000 I'm not going to count on this 1 percent of attacker fleeing 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:61.000 Hiding under the desk, hoping he's going to flee, or no applied force which is a negotiated surrender. 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:04.000 You can't depend on that. 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:08.000 There has to be some kind of act of aggression to stop this. 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:12.000 Let's look at Virginia Tech and what happened there, so if you guys 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:16.000 are similar with HSS, you picture the hallway in HSS 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:19.000 you've got classrooms and offices on either side, 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:24.000 In Virginia Tech, room 206, there's 14 people. They stayed down, they did the 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:28.000 standard lockdown, hide under the tables and chairs, 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:32.000 Ten of them were killed, 2 of them were wounded. 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:39.000 In room 211, there were 19 people in there, they did the same thing. Hid under the tables and chairs and waited for the police to show up. 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:44.000 Nineteen, 12 were killed, 6 were wounded. 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:50.000 And room 207, the gunman came in, there were 13 people in there, he shot and killed 5 of them, 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.000 and he wounded 6. 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:58.000 he left, they barricaded the door, he tried to come back in again and wasn't able to. 00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:62.000 Nobody else was killed or wounded after they barricaded. 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.000 So you can see there their number were already improving. 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:08.000 Room 204, 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:14.000 Out of 19 people, 2 were killed, 3 were wounded, they jumped and barricaded, they jumped out of the windows, 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.000 and they barricaded the door 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:23.000 The two people that were killed were Dr. Liviu Librescu and a students and if you want to check out a neat story, 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.000 He's a Jewish Concentration camp survivor from World War II. 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:36.000 Really neat story on him, him and his student aid physically held the door closed with their bodies to give everybody else time to get out. 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.000 The gunman shot them through the door and killed them. 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:45.000 But you can see, these guys were proactive and only 2 people were killed. 00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:53.000 These guys immediately barricaded in room 205, the 12 people that were in there, they immediately barricaded the doors so he couldn't get in, nobody was killed nobody was wounded. 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:56.000 So you can see, the people that are passive, 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:61.000 and didn't take any real steps except for hiding under tables and chairs, 28 of them are dead. 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:04.000 The people that were proactive, 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:09.000 Only 2, see how your numbers are improving there if you do a little bit? Take a little of 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:14.000 proactive response, and I'm not at all asking anyone in here to be a hero. 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:20.000 I am not asking you to be a Dr. Liviu Librescu, okay? 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:23.000 I'm just telling you, that you can if you want to, 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:27.000 You can jump out of the window if you want to, you can break that window out, 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:36.000 You can kick this in here, there's a door, kick that door in and pull the wires out to wrap around the door. 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:40.000 Is anybody going to be mad, is the University going to be mad at you for doing that? 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.000 Does anybody know Nathan Sauer, he's the classroom guy. 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:49.000 Do you think he's going to be mad a couple weeks later when he has to come in and fix that? 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:53.000 No, I bet you Nathan is going to tell you I'm really glad you're okay. 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:56.000 And he's going to be happy to come over here and fix that. 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:60.000 When you're evacuating, keep your empty hands visible, 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:05.000 If you have countered and you have disarmed the individual, 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:12.000 And you don't feel comfortable leaving that firearm there, and you want to take it with you, that's fine but don't carry it out, I'm sure you guys know why. 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:16.000 Put it in some kind of container, scoop it into a 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:22.000 some kind of a trashcan, there's recycle bins and trash cans readily available all over campus, 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.000 Scoop it into a backpack, whatever, and run out with it. 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.000 Okay, that way you can provide it to the police, 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.000 And it's not a threat to them. 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:36.000 Di't do anything that can be reasonably perceived as threatening, don't run at the police, 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.000 Run away from the danger. 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:44.000 The police, what they're going to do, they might point weapons at you, 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:48.000 They might make a dynamic entry which is loud, it might be flash bangs, 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:52.000 And smoke grenades and they might break a window on this side of the room to distract people 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:55.000 because they're going to come in from the other direction and there might be yelling and screaming, 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:60.000 Or it might be really quiet, it might just be coming in whispering, moving really slow and methodically, 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.000 Might yell at you, move past hurt and injured people, 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:08.000 They might hand cuff you, they might ask you questions, they're not going to help you 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:12.000 You need to understand, law enforcement in this situation are not trained 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:16.000 to stop and help people, they are trained to move past you 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:23.000 They are trained in this situation to step over hurt and injured people that are asking for their help, 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.000 and move towards the sound of the gunshots, until they stop the carnage, 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.000 they are not going to provide any first aid or help people evacuate, 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:33.000 And I'm sure you guys can understand why. 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:38.000 They might tell you to go away or evacuate another area, they might tell you to get on the ground, 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:42.000 So just be paying attention to what their directions are for you. 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:47.000 This isn't something that were developing in hope that it works, 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:51.000 this is now the recommendation, okay? 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:54.000 The US Department of Homeland Security, 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:61.000 in 2008, came up with their three outs program, it's called Get Out, Hide Out and Take out, what do you suppose get out is? 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.000 Evacuate. Hide out? 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:10.000 Barricading, lockdown, securing in place. Take out? 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.000 Countering, fighting back, right. 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:16.000 International Association of Chiefs of Police in 2009, 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.000 They said the same thing that ALICE did in 2001. 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:26.000 There's not a one size fits all plan, teacher need to choose to evacuate or lockdown. 00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:29.000 And we have to authorize the decisions to be made. 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.000 By the individual teachers, there are schools out there 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:36.000 that still have policies in place that if there's an active shooter, 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:44.000 The teacher calls the office, tells the office what's going on, and the office calls 911. 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:48.000 What sense does it make if we are in this room, 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:56.000 and there's an active shooter in the Columbia Room, which is on the bottom floor, other side of this building, there's an active shooter in there, 00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:64.000 Most of your schools, your high schools, your K to 12 schools, would put this entire building in lockdown, is that our best option? 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.000 No. What should we do, if this was a classroom? 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:12.000 And he was the teacher for it, what should he do? 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:16.000 Get the kids, get out on Church Street and run. 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:18.000 Right? 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:23.000 The International Association of Chiefs of Police also said active resistance is an option. 00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:30.000 The NYPD, they came up with the same thing, they did their active shooter recommendations and analysis, 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:36.000 And they come up with people need to evacuate, hide or take action, meaning fighting back. 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:40.000 Everybody's coming up with the same 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:44.000 the same information, this is Alabama 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:49.000 They, in February 2013, they specifically name ALICE and run, hide, fight program 00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.000 As the official state recommendations. 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:57.000 Ohio Attorney General and Safety Task Force, in 2013, 00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:60.000 Lockdown does not mean a stand alone defense strategy, 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.000 People need to evacuate, barricade or counter. 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:08.000 So this is more specific to your K to 12 schools, but I want to talk about it, 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.000 Because a lot of us in here have kids 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:20.000 In 2013, the US Department of Education said this has to be the end of lockdown as the only response 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:24.000 to these incidents. Okay? We can't just lockdown anymore. 01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:27.000 There's a lot of schools that are still doing this, 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:36.000 I believe the hesitation is that they feel like these programs like ALICE run, hide, fight, or like get out, hide out, take out, that they 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:42.000 believe that all we're doing is tell you that we want to the kids to attack the shooter, 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:47.000 That absolutely not it. I have not told my daughter at all to fight back. 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:54.000 She's 8 years old, unfortunately she's got my genes so she's kind of scrawny, and small kay? So, 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:58.000 her fighting back at 8 years old is not an option, but she is small, 01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:60.000 and you get her moving fast, 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:04.000 and it's terrible to say, but she's a little target and it'll be hard to hit if she's moving. 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:09.000 We need to get the K to 12 schools, 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:13.000 on board with this and understand that we're not telling everybody to fight back. 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:20.000 I don't think countering really comes into play until about 7th or 8th grade, I think that's about where we should start incorporating that. 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:24.000 And giving that option to the kids, that they can fight back. 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:28.000 And for the other schools, it need to be barricading or evacuating. 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:38.000 I think another problem with the K to 12 schools, they concern about liability, what are we going to do if I just tell all the kids to run? 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.000 It's a concern, right? 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:45.000 Talking to one of the sergeants here from the police department, him and I had this conversation, he said it pretty well, 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.000 He said, I don't care how many police officers 01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:55.000 and how many man hours of time we spend looking for kids in the neighborhoods, I don't care. 01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:61.000 I will happily search the neighborhood for kids, I don't have to find them in the classroom. 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:08.000 The K-12 schools are worried about that curb to curb liability, and if the kids 01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:12.000 take off running, what's our liability? 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:20.000 Well what's your liability if my daughter isn't able to evacuate, she stays in that closet because you told her to, she gets shot and killed, 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:25.000 an you're going against the US Department of Education's recommendations, what's your liability then? 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:28.000 People also 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:34.000 want to know if there's more than one shooter, I could run into them when I'm evacuating. It's a possibility. 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:38.000 Understand, one percent of the time, these 01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:41.000 these shooters actually have an accomplice, 01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:44.000 But it is a possibility. 01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:49.000 If this room was on fire, would I stay in here for fear that 01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:53.000 I'm going to run into the hallway and there's going to be more fire? 01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:58.000 I can only deal with threat that I know exists at the time. 01:02:58.000 --> 01:02:60.000 How to account for those who left 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:04.000 That's more of K to 12 problem, I kind of just talked about that a little bit. 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:09.000 I'd rather be looking for kids 01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:17.000 looking for other people, calling people, than I would counting bodies and finding body bags. 01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:23.000 Small children aren't capable, I've been talking to you about my daughter, and at 7 years old, she was able to grasp this. 01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:31.000 This was her instincts, we've had this full conversation, we've talked about what if someone is shooting at you, what are you going to do? 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:34.000 My daughter has not one time come home, 01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:40.000 crying or asking questions about it, she doesn't have nightmares about it. 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:47.000 This isn't something that scared her, it was a matter of fact conversation that we had, that my daughter already knew this problem existed. 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:51.000 She already knew that this was a possibility, she watched the news. 01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:55.000 She listens to the radio when we're driving down the road and the news is on, 01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:60.000 and it pops up that there's a mass shooting in Roseburg today at the community college 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.000 They hear that, they know it's a possibility already. 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:09.000 So all we're doing, all I did was give her a little bit of information to help her out. 01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:16.000 In Sandy Hook, I told you that the shooter went back and forth between two classrooms, 01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:20.000 At one point when he was in there he was shooting the kids in the corner, 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:24.000 and he ran out of ammunition, a little 6 year old kid in there 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:28.000 that knows firearms, because he parents had taught him about firearms, 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:32.000 he knew that that gun was unloaded and it couldn't fire and he yelled run 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:36.000 and he stood up and ran out and four little guys followed him. 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:42.000 And you guys might have heard the little blurb on the news about two and a half hours later they find the five kids, 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:46.000 out in a neighborhood, sitting on the curb. Did anybody hear about that? 01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:49.000 That was those little kids, okay? 01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:54.000 They realized that that firearm was unloaded, couldn't fire and they ran right past the shooter. 01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:60.000 With OODA Loop and what was going on, do you think that shooter even knew they ran past him? 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:04.000 I'd be willing to bet not, he certainly didn't try to stop them. 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:08.000 He's concentrating on what he's doing, and they ran right past him. 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:13.000 So small children are capable and they smart enough to get it. And that little six year old boy 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.000 went against what he was taught to do, went against his training. 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:20.000 and in that moment and knew that 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:24.000 this is not what we should be doing, I should get moving and he took four of those little guys with him. 01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:30.000 And I hope when I'm standing at the gates that I can say that I had a small part in saving one person life. 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:35.000 And this little 6 year old boy, he's already done it four times. 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:40.000 Special education's not addressed, again it's not a one size fits all plan, 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:43.000 What might be right for you might not be right for me. 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:50.000 The fact that I'm wearing an extra 30 pounds of gear and boots and I've got short stubby legs, and don't run very fast, evacuating might not be my option. 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:59.000 Maybe you know, I know that breaking in here I can pull some wires cables and stuff out to barricade. 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:08.000 You might choose to evacuate, okay? So the point of this training 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:12.000 is to give everybody options and to tell you that even though you're in the same room 01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:18.000 You don't have to do the same thing, some people can evacuate, some people can barricade, some people can try to counter. 01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:23.000 That's what we don't want to do, is to lock everybody into one option. 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:28.000 Another k to 12 problem, is Rally Point could be a secondary attack location. 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:37.000 For you guys who have kids, kind of help you feel a little bit better, being that it is 8 to 12 minutes before the first police officer shows up. 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:44.000 But, if MES gets attacked, what agencies are going to be responding? 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:48.000 Monmouth, Polk county sheriff's office, 01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.000 Independence police department, Dallas police department, 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:56.000 You think Benton County sheriff's office is ending people, yeah, Corvallis PD. 01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:60.000 Salem PD, Kaiser PD, I bet you Grand Ronde is sending somebody. 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:07.000 Mcminnville, I bet someone's coming. Basically, from a 60 miles radius, we're going to have cops coming. 01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:11.000 Granted it's going to be 8 to 12 minutes before they get here, but that's where the schools, 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:18.000 And the administration and the local police department are going to work once they get enough people on scene at that school, 01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:23.000 They're going to be able to divert those responding agencies to the rally points. 01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:27.000 to help protect those and assist with the reunification process, 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:32.000 If everybody in this building had the same training, 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:37.000 you heard two loud bangs and you ran as absolutely fast as you can out of this building, 01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:41.000 How long do you think it would take us to completely evacuate this building? 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.000 Remember not a fire drill, we are running for our lives, 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:48.000 How long do you think it would take to get everybody out of here? 01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:52.000 A minute? About a minute. 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:56.000 People evacuating will disrupt police response. 01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:60.000 How long did it take for that first 911 call to happen? 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:04.000 We're all going to be at Dairy Queen having sundae's by the time the police get here. 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:09.000 So you're not going to disrupt the police response and that's something that people often 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:13.000 especially the K to 12 schools worry, well if we're kids run everywhere, 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:19.000 it's going to disrupt the police response, the police isn't even going to know this is happening when your kids are running away. 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:26.000 Counter strategies don't work. I'll tell you about the training that I was at, it was a two day training, 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:32.000 And I sat through a day and half of what you guys are sitting through now, 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:36.000 And it made it sense, yeah, okay, sounds good, 01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:40.000 I like it, and then we did half a day of scenarios, where we just did scenarios. 01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:44.000 And it proved to me that 01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:49.000 I don't want to hide under the able, I don't want to just wait for the police to show up. 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:56.000 So in this training there were elementary school teachers, custodians, 01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:61.000 people from the universities, we had a huge variety of people in there. 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:06.000 We took the person with the least amount of tactical experience in the class, 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:15.000 Which happened to be a hispanic elementary school teacher, she was about this tall and the sweetest woman you've ever met in your life, 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:23.000 They gave her an airsoft gun and about a minute of instruction and they said her's the trigger, this is the dangerous end, here's how you kill people. 01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:26.000 And they told us, you guys are now doing lockdown. 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:29.000 Like they had to do in Sandy Hook, like they were told to do in Columbine 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:33.000 You guys are doing lockdown, so you can hide, 01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:36.000 and that's it. 01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:42.000 And wait for someone to come save you, and we all hid as best we could in this classroom. 01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:49.000 And that woman came in and she killed 30 out of 31 of us, 1 person was hiding in a closet that she didn't find. 01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:54.000 Then we took the top tactically trained guy in the class, he was the commander of the Lane County SWAT team. 01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:62.000 The guy that I think we can all agree knows a little bit and has a pretty good idea about tactics and knows how to shoot people. 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:05.000 They gave him the airsoft gun, 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:12.000 And then told the rest of the class, okay now institute ALICE, barricade, run, 01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:16.000 Counter, whatever you need to do. 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:20.000 He came into the classroom, he shot, we all threw objects at him, 01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:25.000 and rushed him, some people ran out the back door, some people ran kind of to hide in the closet, 01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:31.000 And we attached him, he ended up getting one guy in the arm, survivable wound. 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:36.000 And then being A SWAT team guy, he goes hold hold hold I can do better than that. 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:40.000 I can do better than that, we're like alright great let's try it again, 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:45.000 Came in a different door, kind of threw us off a little bit, came through a door a little while later, 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.000 and he got one guy in the leg. 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:53.000 This is a guy who is trained to be able to do that kind of stuff and you can't beat it. 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:59.000 and the reason is because as we threw objects at him, and they were soft, 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:06.000 rubber blue balls, that didn't hurt him, he was wearing a mask and helmet, 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:12.000 that he knew weren't going to hurt him, he knew that was all we were going to throw at him, 01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:16.000 He got to do it twice and he still couldn't do it. 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:21.000 because as all of those balls were flying at him and people are moving, 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:27.000 It causes that OODA Loop disruption, he gets stuck between observe and orient. 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:33.000 So the top tactically trained guy in the class, who went through the class couldn't do this. 01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:40.000 The instructors from ALICE said that they have taken people from the US military special forces and had them go through this program, 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:47.000 and had them be the shooters and elementary school teachers be the victims in the classroom, 01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:56.000 And the military special forces guys couldn't beat the elementary school teachers using this program throwing things and rushing them, 01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:60.000 Or running. 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:05.000 What if the shooter is ALICE trained, again it doesn't matter, that guy that was in our program 01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:08.000 He went through the exact same class we did 01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:13.000 he was there the whole time, he knew what we were going to do, he got to practice and he couldn't do any better. 01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.000 Now people often time also ask if we can just pull the fire alarm, 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:22.000 to indicate an evacuation kind of the alert process, 01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:28.000 and we don't want to do that, because whats a fire alarm, a fire drill. 01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:32.000 Lining up single file, and everybody slowly files out. 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:36.000 That's not what we're looking for, we want everybody to make a decision 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:41.000 about what they want to do. As of February 2015, 01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:44.000 Seven ALICE trained facilities have been attacked 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:46.000 and no fatalities. 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:52.000 So does anybody have any questions, comments, concerns? 01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:56.000 music. 01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:60.000 He aske about UCC and Roseburg, 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:09.000 what kind of training that school had, and I don't believe really had anything other than lockdown, I haven't gotten an official report on that yet. 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:14.000 But I haven't heard, do either one of you guys know? 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:19.000 I haven't heard any kind of official, 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:25.000 proactive training, like run hide fight, get out hide out take out or ALICE that they had. 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:30.000 I think they just had the standard lockdown like most every school does. 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:35.000 music. 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:38.000 So she wants to know if 01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:44.000 back here in the slide we were talking about what the police response is, that they might hand cuff you. 01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:48.000 And she wants to know why might the police handcuff me, it might be 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:56.000 that one of the calls they got was that the shooter is a white female with brown hair wearing a tan shirt, 01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:63.000 So that's where you need to pay attention, you might not know that they got that report, you might not know 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:09.000 that you are dressed just like the shooter, you might not know that somebody mistook you for the shooter. 01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:15.000 So that's where we need to pay attention and not resist that with the police, because they don't know. 01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:23.000 So is it likely, not it's not, but it's a possibility and I want to throw it out there so people are prepared and if they get told 01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:33.000 to get on the ground and they start getting handcuffed, they aren't just handcuffing they believe for some reason that you're a threat, and they might not know why at that point. 01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:38.000 music. 01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:43.000 So she wants to know if the local police department is trained 01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:49.000 on being able to determine if somebody is deaf or not and how would they know that, 01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:56.000 I will tell you that the police department knows that we have a deaf population on our campus, 01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:62.000 so they do kind of expect that, I will tell you 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:06.000 when I was working on the coast, I did a traffic stop, 01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:12.000 And I stepped out of my vehicle and this gentlemen got out of his car and started walking back towards me, 01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:20.000 And that's typically what they used to teach people to do is get out of the vehicle, and walk back to the officer, we don't want you to do that anymore stay in your vehicle. 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:26.000 So I just pointed at his vehicle and I said "Sir have a seat back in your vehicle" and he just kept walking right towards me, 01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:35.000 And, okay he's deaf, so I very animated pointed at his vehicle and I said "Get back in your vehicle now, I'll be with you in a minute" 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:39.000 And he kept walking right towards me and pointed at my nose and said "I want to talk to you" 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:44.000 I'm like "okay, he's not deaf" and I ended up in this big pursuit and all this stuff, but the point of that 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:49.000 if that I think just inherently as humans, 01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:54.000 when we don't get a response like that, some kind of a response, 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:64.000 that we'll automatically assume that we're ealing with somebody who is deaf or hard of hearing, also, 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:11.000 the police officers being amped up and being who they are and being type A personalities, they are very animated. 01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:17.000 So as they're coming in there, they're telling you get on the ground, they're going to be motioning. 01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:34.000 most people and most police officers if you see this deaf, correct? 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:39.000 From the mouth to the ear, so you make a symbol like this, and like "I'm deaf" 01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:44.000 Most everybody is going to be able to understand what that means, 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:50.000 And I believe the police are trained to do that, and our officers right now, we're actually, 01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:56.000 this is week two, we're going through several weeks learning some sign language to be able to communicate. 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:60.000 Audience member: Yeah another thing I wanted to throw out there, 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:07.000 is that many deaf people have automatic training, they'll do something like this "I can't hear, I can't hear" they'll gesture like that 01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:12.000 Trevor Jackson: Perfect, perfect, yeah. 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:16.000 And that, this not being a threat and point at your ear, 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:21.000 I'm going to understand what that means, Officer Hansen are you going to understand what that means? 01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:27.000 Even in a really threatening situation, I'm going to understand what that means if I can see your hands 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:33.000 and you're pointing at your ear, I'm going to know what you're trying to tell me, 01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:37.000 music. 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:45.000 The question is, are we going to try to have all of our students on campus go through this training as well, 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:50.000 We would love for that, we want everybody that we can to go through this training, 01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:55.000 It's difficult to require it to, so that's why we've got 01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:64.000 all total in this month long, we've got 16 or 18 of these sessions that anybody can come to. 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:10.000 We're advertising to the students, our officers and our staff are encouraging people to come, 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:19.000 Is any of the students in here, we have some of the different departments I think I know of 3 or 4 different departments 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:24.000 Whose staff have come and said okay "we want all of our employees to go through this" 01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:38.000 So, there's the different departments that are helping us out, doing that. 01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:47.000 So,we're hopefully next year going to be able to provide some additional things during new students week 01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:53.000 But my hope is that eventually I'm going to be out of job with this, 01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:61.000 Because the K to 12 schools are going to do this training and do it properly so by the time everybody gets to us, 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:03.000 I'm not going to have a job to do, 01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:07.000 music. 01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:12.000 So I'll tell you, I don't know exactly what Dallas, if you have kids in Dallas, 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:16.000 what they use, but my understanding is that they are ahead of the curve. 01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:20.000 I guess Dallas school district is kicking butt on this thing, 01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:25.000 they're very proactive about it, they train with their students, they put baseball bats in things, 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:28.000 in the classrooms, in the teacher's desk, they have 01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:32.000 those easily accessible to the staff. 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:37.000 So i'm all kinds of excited about Dallas. I know that Central school district, 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:44.000 is using a program that is called SRP, standard response protocol, 01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:48.000 SPR is a good program, it has it's merit, 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:54.000 for several things, but it's all encompassing, so it's fire, earthquake, tornado, it talks about all of those. 01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:60.000 But what I don't like about it is that it's very heavily dependent on 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:04.000 somebody over a loudspeaker telling everyone what to do. 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:11.000 It's somebody getting on the intercom and saying "lockdown" or "evacuate" or "get under the desks" 01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:18.000 And I don't like that, I think that everybody needs to be able to make a decision, 01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:24.000 And not have one person in an office, what happens if that one person is sick one day? 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:28.000 Maybe the shooter knows that, and goes in and takes that person out. 01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:34.000 So it's kind of an all encompassing program but I understand Central school district just recently 01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:41.000 did a training with their high school students where they had a staff member come to one of these sessions, 01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:48.000 and develop their own power point now and are training their students to and telling them "hey if this happens" 01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:64.000 So Central school district is kind of making some really positive changes I don't know about any of the other school districts in the area. 01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:09.000 music. 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:17.000 He was talking about the police using where people are evacuating from as an indicator as where they need to be going, 01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:22.000 and if that is going on, when the police are arriving I think they're certainly going to be using that, 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:31.000 You know, maybe there's just a police officer driving by the elementary school and sees a whole bunch of kids running out into the neighborhood. 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:39.000 You know, most police officers are going to realize that something bad is going on there and they're going to head over to the school and try to figure out whats going on. 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:46.000 So just understand that the whole idea of this program is that you don't have to hide under the desk, you can if you want to. 01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:54.000 But we're telling you and the University is telling you is that you are welcome to fight back, you are welcome to break a window and run if you want to. 01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:62.000 Be safe, appreciate your time, thanks for coming, if you liked the program, we certainly hope you do, encourage people to come, 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:09.000 We want to get this information out to a many people as we can, and we're not going to be able to get everybody, 01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:15.000 we're hopefully going to get as many students as we can, and a few faculty and staff you're going to be a leader in that classroom. 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:21.000 A lot of these student's training is going to be to get under that desk and you're going to be a leader in there, 01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:27.000 and tell them no let's get out, lets put desks, tables and chairs in front of the door to prevent people from coming in. 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:29.000 So I appreciate your time guys, thanks for coming. 01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:32.000 applause. 01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:40.000 music.