WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.000 Tom Kelly: So I debated a little bit about how to deal with this and you'll notice that I expanded from Oregon to the Pacific North West. 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Because I've done a lot of things in Oregon, but I also 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:20.000 and for those of you who are dyed in the wool Oregonians and I say that I like to spend time in Washington too, that may 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:25.000 may not help the popcorn to go down quite at well but I love the North West. 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:31.000 As I mentioned before I've been up here for quite a while, 29 years. I grew up in Colorado. 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:38.000 And that's where I really got into a lot of outdoor pursuits, I grew up in a town called Grand Junction which is 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:48.000 the western slope and kind of sits in, one side to the east is the Rockies and to the west you've got the Red Rock Colorado Plato 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:53.000 kind of what people think of canyon lands and the Utah desert out there. 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:61.000 And we were talking a little bit earlier before we started about scouting and so I got into a lot of this because of scouting. 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:06.000 And went to a place when I was, oh gosh, 14 or 15 I think. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:12.000 called Philmont scout range, which is down in northern New Mexico in the mountains down there. 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:17.000 People don't think of New Mexico and mountains in one in the same but beautiful area. 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:23.000 And most of the things I'd done before that were kind of little weekend, overnighters and things like that. 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:28.000 My dad, we went camping, but he wasn't really into doing a lot of those things but 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:35.000 so we went for a week long with a bunch of boys and we had what I thought was a very mature 20 year old 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:41.000 what they called a backcountry ranger leading us and I thought man that's what I want to go when I grow up and I'm 20. 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:48.000 And we had a really good time and had some very interesting experiences with 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:52.000 some bears and different kinds of things. 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:56.000 And anyway I was hooked for a lot of different reasons. 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:63.000 And so this has been a hobby with me but also I teach here at Western Oregon, several recreation related classes. 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:09.000 I teach in some nutrition related things and some physiology things and 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:12.000 I've taught a backpacking class here for a number of years as well 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:16.000 So some of the pictures will come from that 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:26.000 I'm just going to talk a little bit about some of these things and what I would like to do is make this, I've got such a big group, as informal as possible 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:38.000 So if you have questions about different things, I wasn't sure who I'd be talking to and what your background would be so I've got a little bit of snippets of things related to equipment and gear 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:49.000 and a little bit on some different hikes and if you want to go in the direction of hey where can I go, what are some good hikes close, we can talk about that as well 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:59.000 Holler at me if you have questions and I will hope that I do this...so I'm pressing right if I'm forward and left if I'm on it I'm assuming 00:02:59.000 --> 00:02:67.000 So the first things I've got here are just some general pictures of places I've been. This happens to be...anybody make a guess on this? 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:11.000 For those of you that have done a little bit of hiking here in Oregon maybe. Anybody? 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:16.000 That's in the Wallowas. Which reminds me me a lot of my home area in Colorado 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:28.000 They're more where we get the Cascades, they're more volcanic, newer volcanic eruption related. These are more...you see more granite and some different things 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:37.000 That's my best hiking buddy there following along a trail. That's Scout, the third in a line of backpacking buddies 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.000 She'll go when I want to go 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:50.000 I always have a hard time finding people that want to go when I want to go and when I want to go, I do. 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.000 Anyway she's my buddy. I won't tell you where this lake is 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:60.000 because it's one of my areas but it is in the Wallowas so you can narrow it down and if you want to do some exploring 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:04.000 You'll notice my little tent over to the right 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:08.000 Nice sandy beach, I've got another, this is the same lake. 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:19.000 It looks just like that. A little sand all the way around it and you can hang out there and soak up the rays and it's a sandy bottom lake instead of a real muddy lake that you see in a lot of mountains 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.000 Just a beautiful area 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:25.000 I love the Wallowas and that's one of the areas on the same hike 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:35.000 You can see over to...actually depending on who you believe, Sacajawea or Sacagawea or whatever 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:41.000 This was in Eagle Cap Wilderness in Eastern Oregon and it's really pretty country 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:46.000 I'm just going to kind of flip through some pictures to make you want to go places here first 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:52.000 So this one is more Western Oregon related and this was a trip actually if you look at the picture on the lower right 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:57.000 Some of the group of the class that went up to what's called Silver King Pass 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:70.000 This is in an area that is typical western Oregon, lower cascades, you can get in there in the spring depending on the year 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:19.000 You can get in there in the fall fairly late and the ridges are somewhere in the between 5,000 and 6,000 feet 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.000 and the lower valleys are a little over 2,000 feet 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:28.000 You can get in there a good portion of the time. This happens to be a late spring trip. 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:40.000 I've had some really interesting things. I don't know if you notice, I've got one of the gals there is from Japan and was an exchange student here 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:51.000 It was the first time she'd ever been camping. I've had a number of students from Korea and different areas around Germany and so forth and it's a very different experience for them 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:67.000 This is also in bowl of the woods, a little different area, this is Mount Jefferson there to the southeast of us and we're taking a little siesta on a ridge top there working on some map and compass kinds of things 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:16.000 It's not all mountains. One of the nice things about the pacific northwest and one of the reasons I am here instead of in Colorado 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:27.000 is because my wife is an Oregonian and she loves the mountains but she also missed the ocean when we lived in the Rockies 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:33.000 This is one of the funner hikes that I've done and I would highly recommend coastal hikes 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:49.000 It's a little bit different. Being more of a mountaineer than a coastal person I hadn't ever taken a hike before I came up here dealing with tide tables and you've got to time getting around the headlands at different times 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:58.000 So you have to time when you get up with the tide and where you're going to be at lunch and when the tide comes in you have to be in certain areas 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:61.000 You'll notice on this when we're on the beach down here a little bit 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:05.000 This is in Oregon in the Olympic Nation Park. 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:14.000 This is, in the lower 48, the longest stretch of unsettled coastline in the United States 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:25.000 There's about 70 miles of a wilderness like coastal experience where, this is kind of half...we went a little shorter, but halfway through 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:30.000 So you can see this is the, I don't know if tell, the tent on the beach there 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:35.000 You would have, and you'll see these in British Columbia on some of the coastal hikes as well 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:40.000 You'll have little ladders along the headlands so you go along the beach and then the headland jets out 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.000 and you've got climb up the headlands and you slog along, usually through a little mud 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:51.000 When you're hiking in the northwest weather is not a deterrent, you just go when you have time 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:64.000 They're crawling up some of these things and some of them were a series of ladders and we would belay people up as well as they didn't feel very comfortable 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:14.000 because they're rope ladders, not real stable and you've got this 40 pound pack on your back or whatever, 35 40 pound pack 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.000 It was a lot of fun. Not too many hikes I've done barefoot 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:21.000 Anyway, lots and lots of fun 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:26.000 This also happens to be in northwest in Washington 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:31.000 Actually in North Cascades National Park and it's one of my favorite areas. 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.000 You'll notice that it's fairly fungus dense so fairly wet area 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:45.000 This basin we're in is called Fisher Basin, that's where the last known grizzly was shot in Washington 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:52.000 Now they're starting to creep back in from Canada so we have a few more that you'll see sightings now and then 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:57.000 Very bear dense country but they're primarily black bear right now 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:61.000 Really really beautiful area, a lot of vertical feet. 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:07.000 You'll notice, since I'm talking about bears, we came over a pass that's called Park pass 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:14.000 and we looked down into this little valley down below us several hundred feet 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:21.000 noticed this little pond and there was, from the picture before you it looked like a rock sitting in the pond 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:27.000 and we were looking down there and the rock started moving around and rolling around and it was a big bear, this was in the fall 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:33.000 This was in the fall, can't tell really too much from...maybe some of the berry leaves changing 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:46.000 but it was a big old black bear storing up some food for the winter and taking a little bath in the mud puddle there that was left 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:52.000 So we sat up there and we must have stayed there for a half hour watching this bear just kind of have a good old time in the puddle 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:61.000 and didn't want to go down and disturb him for a lot of different reasons. Fingernails are bigger than mine, that's one of the reasons. 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:11.000 So we looked around and this is where we were just kind of hanging out waiting for the bear to go on before we took the trail because the trail went right by where the bear was hanging out 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:17.000 This is in Buckner basin you can see me doing my best Lewis and Clark sign 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:23.000 The old pointing down into some things but just beautiful country, lots and lots of ridges and places to get lost. 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:28.000 So a little bit later we went down there and you can see the bear tracks, that's the guy I was with 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:35.000 Then we turned around and looked backed up there on the hill and the bear had kind of disappeared and we had come down the trail 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:43.000 The bear had gone around and then was up kind of where we were so we just kind of traded places and that's happened with me a couple of times 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:47.000 It's a pretty good sized bear, you can't really tell from that picture 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:53.000 It was really pretty and one of the great things I enjoy about hiking and backpacking in particular 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:66.000 is that you do see a lot of animals and some of the best sights in Oregon, I'm going to show you some pictures later, over in Eastern Oregon to see rocky mountain sheep, bighorn 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.000 wild turkeys, black bear 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:13.000 rattlesnakes, all sorts of different kinds of things that you come across 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:19.000 So this one, some of these pictures are just critter signs if you will 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:27.000 So this looks like nice berry pie, that's a bear that's left its mark on the trail there 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:33.000 There's a bear print of another one and you can see marking on the trees there, they mark territory. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:43.000 Up in the...my backpacking classes get a kick out of me because every time I come across any kind of poop in the trail, I've got to figure out what left it 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:50.000 Sometimes it's dogs. This happens to be cougar scat or some type of a large cat, probably bigger than a bobcat. 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:58.000 You can see little bits of bone in it and it's got a lot of fur in it and this is either deer or elk fur so this is probably a pretty big cat. 00:11:58.000 --> 00:11:64.000 Most of the time it's very gray and white even when it's fairly new because it's so calcium rich 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:09.000 Bears you get a wide variety of vegetation in there 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:21.000 Anyway, this is, again, a similar trip up there and you can see one of the things I like about going into wilderness areas is they're unimproved 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:25.000 I don't know how well you can improve wilderness areas, this is my personal opinion. 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.000 But I'm a little bit of hermit so, 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:33.000 I like the challenge of going into wilderness areas and not having to deal with 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:36.000 the national park bridges and thing, 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:41.000 you have to plan to cross streams and there's some of those physical challenges that you deal with 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.000 with that as well. 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:48.000 So this leads me into some more technical kinds of things, 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:55.000 and this picture, as I was thinking about what I wanted to talk about, 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:60.000 One of the things, I'll tell you a very quick story here. 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:04.000 I was with my brother and we were up on the Pacific Crest trail, 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:14.000 this was several years ago. But I have an older brother and he came up to check Oregon out and we're hiking down the Pacific crest trail 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.000 in the Mount Jefferson wilderness, 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:24.000 and we came to this kind of a wagon wheel of several trails coming in, I mean it's like a European traffic circle almost. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:29.000 Not quite as many streets maybe, but at least 5 different trails that came into this. 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.000 and there's no sign, okay? 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:36.000 So we're going through this and we're looking at the map and compass and we're trying to figure out what path do we want to take 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:43.000 And this guy comes up from the west of us up this ridge and comes in 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:47.000 He's not a happy camper, you could tell, he was unhappy. 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:53.000 and he was a through hiker on the Pacific Crest trail and if you know much about though hikers 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:58.000 they don't do a lot of map and compass, they get these guide books and they just kind of buzz along, 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:63.000 and I like to smell the roses and see what's out there a little bit more. 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.000 But anyway he was complaining because said he's through hiked the Appalachian trial, 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:12.000 with apologies. But through hiked the Appalachian trial. He said, "you know, 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:31.000 I said, and it made me mad okay because I'm a transplant Oregonian, I'm very 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:36.000 patriotic Oregonian, you know, here in the west, 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:41.000 we expect you to be prepared when your come into a wilderness area, we have some hard winters here. 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.000 Much like upstate New York. 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:48.000 And so the signs aren't always there, sometimes they get, we don't know where they end up. 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.000 So you have to be prepared and you have to do your homework ahead of time. 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:57.000 So I didn't feel very sorry for him, he ticked me off. 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:60.000 But I did point him out the right way to go off of our little map. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:04.000 So this, I don't know if you can tell the trail. 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:08.000 This is called the three fools trial and it runs parallel to the Canadian border. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:12.000 About 3 miles south of the Canadian border 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:17.000 and it is not a well used path okay. It is more of a way that you kind of have to 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:29.000 and we're out in the middle of nowhere, and we're at least 4 days in from the nearest road. 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:33.000 It's not like you could turn around and ask a traffic cop which way to go. 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.000 So you have to be prepared. 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.000 And one of the things I would tell is you need to develop some skill. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:50.000 We have a lot of electronics today that are really useful, but it's nice to know how to read a map and how to orient a map. 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:56.000 This is the ridge that we went along, this is called Joker Mountain. 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:60.000 There we camped down in the bottom of the gorge. 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:04.000 After we had taken off from that trip. 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:08.000 So a couple of things to kind of keep in mind. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:12.000 When I talk to my backpacking classes about hiking, whether you're talking day hiking, 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:16.000 or whether you're talking about multi-day trips. 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:21.000 A lot of people have kind of a city park mentality. 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:28.000 You know, I'm going for a walk in the park, oh you know, what's he weather like outside, oh I'll wear shorts, I'll wear a sweater, whatever 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:32.000 and you don't really worry about it. 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:39.000 Well when the sun is out in the Willamette Valley, the mountains are not necessarily always the same, you have to plan for those things 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:44.000 You have to plan that there are animals running around, you have to plan for 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.000 weather issues, stream crossings, those kinds of things. 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:53.000 This is from the National Park Service, Search and Rescue causes of incidents. 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:58.000 And you'll see some of the things, judgement errors is one of the top ones there okay. 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:60.000 We're humans, we're not perfect. 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:07.000 And we make lots of mistakes especially when you get in a hurry, so some judgement errors. Maybe you get in an area where you're 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.000 in over your head, and I've done that a few times. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:16.000 I can tell lots of stories, but anyway, judgement errors, fatigue. 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:22.000 So one of the things, I don't really like to spend a lot of time on a treadmill. 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:29.000 One of the reasons I do this is because it gives me motivation to stay in enough shape where I can go where I want to go. 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.000 But I also just enjoy this as the 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:36.000 workout. It makes me feel good, it lifts my spirits. 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:43.000 But I wouldn't enjoy it as much, obviously, if I didn't train in some semblance of shape, so it's motivation for me. 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:49.000 Insufficient equipment experience, you know if you're out climbing, obviously and you don't know how to repel. 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:52.000 That's probably an issue. 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.000 Maybe map and compass sorts of things. Inattention to surroundings, just kind of 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:60.000 not thinking about things, not being aware of rock fall, or 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:04.000 maybe signs of animals and those kinds of things. 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:08.000 Different falls, you can see a lot of weather related things, 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:13.000 Hypothermia, heat exhaustion, those kinds of things. I ran across a lady, 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:18.000 coming out on one of my trips, 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.000 that I thought was resting in the middle of the trail, I was just by my self, 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:26.000 and she was just lying there in the middle of the trail. 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:32.000 And I got up to her and she was a little incoherent and after talking with her and I've had a little 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:37.000 wilderness first aid background, I figured out, okay, this lady has heat exhaustion. 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:41.000 And so I got her out, 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:44.000 treated her for shock and some different things, 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:52.000 and anyway, a lot of things when we look at heat and cold and you're working and so forth, you have to 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:58.000 recognize those elements and deal with them before you have a crisis. 00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:62.000 So rockfall, wildlife, avalanche and again 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:08.000 we worry about these things because bears and cougars, they have big teeth and 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:12.000 but we don't see a whole lot of those kinds of things, fortunately. 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:16.000 And then we don't know a lot of them, so unknown causes. 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:20.000 So when we look at getting out there and doing these things, 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:25.000 and I don't want to spend a ton of time on this, but you know, there's a number of different skills that you need to have. 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:30.000 And I don't have time to go into a lot of these today, I just wanted to hit a few things 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:35.000 but dealing with shelter, dealing with warmth, dealing with the ability to get water. 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.000 Food's not a major priority typically unless you're out there for days. 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:45.000 But making sure that you can deal with those and you have a way to, if you get injured, 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:51.000 and you're in 10 miles or 5 miles, and that's usually what happens on a day hike, you have a fall, 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:56.000 and things can get interesting. 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:60.000 So dealing with those and making sure that you're responsible. I said being prepared. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:04.000 So that you have these things and you know how to use them. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:08.000 There's a novel thought, okay. So we used to call these things the 10 essentials now we've got 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:14.000 essential systems, so some way to stay found, I'll put it that way. 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:19.000 Oregon search and rescue statues if you are 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:24.000 because of them going out and you are not 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:29.000 well versed in some of the things they would assume you should have in a wilderness area. 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.000 you could get charged for your rescue. 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:39.000 That's in the statues now, so you should have knowledge of how to use a compass, you should have knowledge of a map 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.000 and how to navigate in those areas. 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:49.000 Some of the these things are things that your mom or your parents taught you when you were very little. 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:52.000 So "come on in out of the sun Tom" 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:61.000 Sun protection, wear a hat, those kinds of things. Insulation, I'm going to talk a little bit about the layer system as well. 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:07.000 Illumination, some way to signal, you know, if you're hiking after dark, which happens a lot. 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:14.000 Those kinds of things. First aid supplies that you need, you don't need a big metal box, 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.000 this is from a real story, 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:22.000 like in the back of your car that weighs like 10 pounds, okay? 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:26.000 If I tell the stories I will be here forever, so anyway, 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:30.000 I had a person in a class that took one of those. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:34.000 And anyway, so a way to get some warmth. 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:39.000 An understanding of how to build fires, an understanding of how to provide a spark. 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:45.000 Whether it's waterproof matches or whatever. So flame and tinder, tools, repair kit. 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.000 Things that you need if you're going cross country skiing. That's not really what this is about 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:56.000 but you have a way of repairing things if things break down. I've had pack belts break and things like that. 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:61.000 How do you repair those things? Linda would appreciate the nutrition side of things. 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:05.000 So we've got to make sure we're getting enough calories of the right things. 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:10.000 Hydration, so I don't know if you've, I've got my potable aqua. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:14.000 Thank havens for chlorine dioxide 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:18.000 it's much better than iodine and kills more bugs. And I've got a little 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:24.000 stury pen there that takes care of those little nasties as well. 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:26.000 Let's see. 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:32.000 So, these are the things that I would suggest you have whether you'er on a day hike 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:36.000 or a multi day situation. 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:40.000 And that should always be on your person. Because if you have these, 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:46.000 if something goes bad, you're in good shape, you can weather the storm so to speak. 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:51.000 A lot of these things are repeats from those 10 essential systems, again food, 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:57.000 a knife so you can use for building fires, shelters, those kinds of things. Sometimes protection. 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:62.000 I usually recommend about at least a 3 inch blade. 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:08.000 I have a friend who goes out with one of those little, it's about finger clipper size 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:12.000 because he really wants to cut the weight, right? 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.000 It's hard to build a fire from downwind with one of those but that's just my opinion. 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:19.000 We go round and round about that. 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:24.000 So some way to provide a flame. A lot of different kind of choices there. 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:27.000 From lighters to flint steels to matches and so forth. 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:30.000 And something to catch the flame. 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:36.000 One of the things I learned in the NorthWest when I started out is that 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:39.000 there's a lot of wet wood out there. 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:44.000 And growing up in Colorado, I can start a fire, it doesn't matter if it's been raining, 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:49.000 But it hadn't been raining for eons of time in Colorado. It's like maybe a little afternoon dusting or something. 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:53.000 So it's nice say if you look at the old mountain men 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:56.000 that ran around, they usually had tinder with them. 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:60.000 They didn't just go out and well, they were prepared. 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:03.000 Or they didn't last very long, and this is the same kind of thing. 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.000 And then we have a lot of modern alternatives for that. I carry little lightening bugs that are wax, 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:16.000 paraffin and have little bits of saw dust in them and you can stick them in a puddle and light them and they burn so 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:24.000 Signaling device and something to keep you warm. I would no suggest one of the 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:31.000 insulated ones, too dang heavy. But those are nice to have very lightweight, very cheap, all those things. 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.000 So you can keep that in a little bundle, you can put it in your pocket, you can put it in your fanny pack, 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:41.000 your day pack, and then if something does happen heaven forbid, you are ready. 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.000 Okay. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:48.000 So when we look at this, and what I think I will do, 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.000 very quickly is talk about some of these things, 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:56.000 unless you want me to slow down on this. This is also one of my 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:61.000 issues with a class. When I first started to teach backpacking here, 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:04.000 I had mixed feelings. 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:08.000 I think I mentioned this before, that I'm a bit of a hermit. 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:12.000 And so I wasn't really sure I wanted to 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:16.000 get lots and lots of people out where I like to go. 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:20.000 So I figure okay, they're going to be out there anyway, I might as well, 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:24.000 try and teach them some of the wilderness ethics that are out there. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.000 So that's how I reconciled it. 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:32.000 So what we typically talk about today is leave no trace ethics. 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:38.000 And there are number of things that take part in this and I could do a whole presentation on this and I don't want to 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.000 so I'm going to go through this fairly quickly unless you have a question. 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:46.000 We want to plan ahead so we're not taking a lot of trash and so forth, 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:52.000 typically when we go into a wilderness area, they limit the sizes so 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:56.000 you ned to do your homework ahead of time. And it's because of the impact on the environment. 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:62.000 That's another good shot of the north cascades there. 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.000 What's that? 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.000 So what we're looking at here is and you might think, why don't I wear 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:12.000 bright florescent kinds of things like you do when you're hunting. 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:18.000 and the idea is again, with leave no trace, lessen your visual impact on other people. 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:22.000 So if you can disappear into things, as long as you've got something to signal with, the recommendation today 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:27.000 is, unless you're you're out in hunting season, that you're doing things that are not 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:32.000 as obvious to others so other people feel like they have some solitude and that's the main reason. 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:39.000 Most of the tents today, unless they're winter tents, are more muted colored, there's exceptions 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.000 but it's generally what we talk about. Good question. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:48.000 This is one of the things that we see, 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:56.000 a lot of time we have durable surfaces and I kind of have to laugh at this one a little bit, these all come from the BLN forest service, 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:63.000 ideas and with some contributors from other groups, non governmental groups but 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:08.000 I've changed the wording on this because they tell you to let the trails dry, 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:12.000 before you go out hiking, you'd never go hiking in Oregon okay? 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:20.000 So basically you do what you will. And the idea is that they don't want to become a small single track trail 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.000 into a mud bog of an interstate. 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:27.000 And you'll see people who go hiking and they're like "I don't want to step through the mud" 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:37.000 and my point is you get the footwear that can deal with it or you get hip waders or something like that. 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.000 Anyway, you go when you can. 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.000 If you're off trail though, especially above Timberline, 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:50.000 where impacts are more obvious and they stay longer, a lot of times in the desert environment you'll see this as well, 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:55.000 is try and travel on harder surfaces, 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:60.000 so nobody can follow you. It's like Butch Cassidy in the Sundance Kid. 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:08.000 Again campsites kind of things, we try and stay in areas that have less of an impact. 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:16.000 Typically today we talk about, or when I grew up we would go get a spot right next to the lake, 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:21.000 and you could hang your feet out of your tent and throw your fishing line in there 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:25.000 typically today we tell you to go 200 feet away because 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:37.000 things have become so popular and there are so many people out now, that we get a lot of impact both on the floor and fauna 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.000 around the lakes. So anyway, 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.000 limiting your stays, because you make more trails. 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.000 Potty trails, water trails, whatever. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:56.000 Established campsites, use the existing fire rings. If you're in a true wilderness thing where nobody has ever camped, 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:63.000 again we try to stay 200 feet away from water, 200 feet is kind of thing, 70 steps basically. 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:08.000 You can't always do that, if you're in a narrow canyon, that's next to impossible. 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:14.000 But anyway, 200 feet away from things so that you don't impact water sources. 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:19.000 Pollute water sources and again visabilty. 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.000 A couple of other things, this is one of the biggest issues 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:28.000 is how to dispose of waste 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:33.000 So when you plan, this kind of goes back to planning ahead and preparing 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.000 You plan meals that you're not going to have a lot of wet leftovers 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.000 You may take some dry snacks 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:47.000 Different crackers, cookies, those kind of things to expand a meal if you're still hungry. 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:53.000 But what you don't want to do is have...okay what do I do with this? Do I stick it back in pack and it's heavy 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.000 and I'm carrying garbage around, do I just bury it 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:62.000 which isn't really an ideal situation because it attracts animals to those areas and that's how we habituate bears 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:09.000 and other animals to coming in to a campground and then you probably have all heard the idea that a fed bear is a dead bear 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:13.000 because they get used to coming to that area for food. 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:23.000 So you essentially wash our your pans, you take out the particulates and then you throw those in your trash bag 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:28.000 So you don't want a lot of those, because weight is not our friend when we're out carrying everything on our back 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.000 So same thing when we look at latrines 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:36.000 Human latrines, I'm going to go talk about that a little bit more 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.000 Generally what we're talking about is we call them a cat hole 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:52.000 they're about this big around and about 6-8 inches deep so you still can get some air flow through there and it breaks down the organic matter and then you cover them 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:58.000 But you don't make a monument, you don't mark it, the idea is to not let people know that you've been there. 00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:63.000 Cover these and I've got a couple of pictures, kind of pre and post. 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.000 Pack out everything 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:09.000 We're not talking pack animals and horses right now so I'm going to skip that 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:13.000 I like this. 00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:16.000 This is going back to the human fecal matter. 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.000 MAN IN AUDIENCE That's done by a friend of mine, Dan Reynolds. 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:24.000 Is that right? Serious? You'll have to tell him I used one of his 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.000 Anyway, I thought that was good. 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:37.000 One of these things that really bothers me is to find a pristine campsite and you look on the other side of the log and somebody's obviously...you know 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.000 gone number two we'll call it, all right? 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:46.000 This is something that you have to think about if you're out there and we don't like to think about it 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:53.000 I joke with my backpacking classes that this is the only time you get to go out with a professor and poop in the woods 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:60.000 so we actually go through all sorts of different techniques and we go through can I find where you went 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:09.000 Obviously the things that you wipe with are potential issues 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:13.000 So there are a number of different things, obviously TP is really a nice invention 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.000 I would be the first to admit that 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:20.000 But you can use a number of other choices if that's not available 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:28.000 Typically what we do with TP depending on if you're winter camping and it's very wet you can burn it in your cat hole 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:36.000 If there's any fire danger at all you stick it in a little ziplock bag and you put it in your potty bag and you're out of there 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:40.000 WOMAN IN AUDIENCE is there some kind of toilet paper that's biodegradable? 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.000 They all are biodegradable but they take quite a while 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:49.000 The idea again, leaving no trace 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:53.000 You don't want to use a lot of that 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:59.000 There are a lot of places today that will make you and I don't know how much you want me to go into this 00:32:59.000 --> 00:32:71.000 in nasty details but they require that you blue bag because there's so much use and people haven't done a very good job of hiding their cat holes and they've left things out and so forth 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:18.000 In other words, if you pack it in, you've got to poop in, they've got a big ziplock bag, a blue bag and you poop in the bag 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:26.000 and then, I can demonstrate, and then you carry that out, you double bag it and you put it back in your pack. 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.000 I don't like that idea 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:36.000 This is one of the things that I spent a lot of time teaching because I don't want to see more places like that 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:42.000 You'd see that a lot if you climbed Mount Hood for example or lots of popular peaks, that's what you're required to do. 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.000 Question 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:52.000 WOMAN IN AUDIENCE I've found because it's hard to burn it that it's easier to take things like Cottenelle wipes and pack that out. 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:56.000 That's not a bad plan 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:65.000 Take pride in covering your movement 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:13.000 Most of the people that came west on the Oregon Trail didn't die from gunshots and fighting with Native Americans 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.000 They died because of all sorts of hygiene issues 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:21.000 Cholera, typhoid fever, and lots of different kinds of things 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:27.000 Fecal matter's fairly nasty stuff when we look at some of that so wash up 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:31.000 I will, and you may laugh at this, when I'm hiking with somebody 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.000 I don't let them stick their hand in my trail mix 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.000 I will pour it in their hand 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.000 and I do the same 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:46.000 It's just one of those things. I always take in what I take for my bathroom if you will 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.000 I take a little TP, I take some wet wipes 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:55.000 I take some hand sanitizer 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:61.000 I take a trowel, a little trowel, so lightweight is nice 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:07.000 So here we go 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:12.000 This was actually, I was coming across, this was actually in Mount Jefferson wilderness 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.000 in the campsite and you can tell what somebody's done there 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:23.000 This was in the same campsite a little bit later with me 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:30.000 and you may think I'm really weird to be taking pictures of this but I use this for one of my classes 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.000 It's hard to tell obviously that anything happened here 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.000 and that's kind of what you're going for 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.000 The idea isn't to put a bunch of rocks on top and make a monument 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:43.000 The idea is to not let anybody know 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:52.000 Take pictures and try and minimize your effect there 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:60.000 Archeological sites, it's against federal law to disturb them, take arrowheads, those kinds of things 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:06.000 Those plants and wildflowers are going to die pretty dang quick anyway so it doesn't make a lot of sense. 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:13.000 This is more primarily when you're taking stock and you've got feed that you have to deal with. 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:19.000 This is the other thing that is kind of a newer thing in the last few years 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.000 Trying to minimize the impacts of fire 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:26.000 It's probably one of the main issues when we look at impacts 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:31.000 I like a fire, most people who go camping like fires 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.000 and I'm fine with fires, I'm not anti fire 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:38.000 You need to think about where you're using them. If you're above or at timberline 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.000 and I'm not talking about the lodge 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:46.000 but that's an issue because the growing season is very short 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:51.000 Make sure that you're fire danger is very small, use very small wood, not big logs. 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:56.000 That's kind of a rookie mistake is get a bigger log, put it on there, and it just sits and smolders. 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:59.000 You want things that are going to burn down to ash, burn fairly quickly 00:36:59.000 --> 00:36:63.000 Kind of thumb to wrist size types of things 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:09.000 Be aware, again, that fire can spread through the pine duff and then come up elsewhere 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:14.000 It needs to be cold to the touch and doused and all that good stuff. 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:22.000 There are a lot of places especially in the desert and along river corridors where they require you to take a fire pan now 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:31.000 It's like a glorified trash can lid and you make your fire in that and then you burn it down to ash and then you spread the ash out later. 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.000 But that is also kind of a pain 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:39.000 Foil and plastics don't burn, don't throw them in the fire. 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:48.000 There's a mother and a couple of cubs right there if you can see down. This is actually from copper ridge 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.000 Again, just south of the Canadian border 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:57.000 You saw pictures of my dog, not everybody likes dogs and dogs tend to chase animals 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:61.000 So you need to make sure that if you're taking your dog you either have them on a leash 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.000 or that they have very good recall 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:08.000 if they're not obedient then they belong on a leash 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:14.000 Dogs a lot of times will come back and they will bring wildlife back to you 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:19.000 Number of different bear encounters with humans on record where the bear chased the dog back 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.000 and that's when the injury to the human occured. 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.000 So control your pets. 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:32.000 Just be considerate of other people, common sense. 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:39.000 Often times...I'm not going to spend any time on that because we'll just get bogged down 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:45.000 A couple of key things. Those are kind of the leave no trace ideas. Any questions? 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:54.000 Okay so we end up with a wide variety of weather here and it's not going to keep me from going out 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:62.000 so one of the things that is on your christmas wish list and stocking stuffers is a good pair of rain pants, a nice rain shell 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.000 a beanie, some lightweight gloves, those kinds of things 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:10.000 Just warm the corners of my heart. 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:15.000 We want a number of different things where, again, we're able to deal with that. 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.000 Think like a turtle, take your house with you but very lightweight. 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.000 Again, waterproof, breathable shell. 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:28.000 I find it really nice to have rain pants here. I never worried about those until I lived in the northwest. 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:36.000 Definitely have moved from the frill category to a necessity category for me anyway 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.000 because I go out in all different kinds of weather. 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:43.000 When you do this, we want to be as light as possible 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:48.000 We want to wick moisture away from us so it can evaporate. 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:54.000 There are lots of things, wool, synthetics do that better than anything else. 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:62.000 Ideally, if we have multiple use so you can use them as an outer layer, inner layer, you could sleep in them, different kinds of things. 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.000 So you're not taking a lot of weight with you. 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:12.000 I'll just bring all these up here, not spend a lot of time here 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:20.000 Again we're looking at the layer system and you don't need camouflage pants or anything like that. 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.000 Synthetics are really nice 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:26.000 Spring and summer those are kind of what I call shoulder seasons 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.000 Spring and fall, excuse me 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:36.000 It's good to have a nice little hat and some gloves 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:41.000 and some type of middle layer and I will take either long sleeve or short sleeve 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:49.000 sweater, fleece works really well, a little down jacket underneath 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.000 as long as you can keep it dry it works really well 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:56.000 Something that's cheap and light and you don't worry about getting too messed up. 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:61.000 and then a nice waterproof, breathable shell 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.000 and I like ones with pit zipps 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.000 because you work hard when you're hiking. 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:11.000 Enough there unless you have questions 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:19.000 I came across that picture and I thought that's not what we want, that is not me 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:23.000 but he's obviously got everything but the kitchen sink there 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.000 I thought that was a great picture 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:31.000 Just a couple of basic equipment things 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:35.000 Again weight is not our friend so we want to go lightweight, we want to be versatile 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:40.000 want to be safe and not take extra things 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.000 there's kind of a fine line there 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:48.000 we're planning ahead but we don't want to take a lot of extra weight and that's the challenge with this 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:57.000 Probably the most important piece of equipment that I think other than maybe clothes and maybe you could argue that this is more important 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:63.000 is something that's going to keep your feet happy because if your feet aren't happy hiking, you're not a happy hiker 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:09.000 Blisters, sprained ankle, those kinds of things are fairly common 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:14.000 and most of the time with blisters we're looking at heat and wet and friction 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.000 those things are the biggest deals 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.000 so we want things again that will wick moisture away 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.000 synthetics, wool tend to work best 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:26.000 I like a sock system, not everybody does, this is just me 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:33.000 A very lightweight polypropylene or nylon sock when I first started doing this 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:39.000 I actually stole my mom's knee high nylons and used them 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:45.000 but I found they ran too quick but they are great because they reduce the friction on your foot 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.000 and you wear it as an under sock, now I use polypropylene 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.000 and it lasts longer and my mom's happier 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.000 Plus she's...anyway 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:61.000 There are a number of different kinds of things that you can go from a footwear standpoint 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:06.000 and there's all sorts of different ideas 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:11.000 what I would tell you is go as light a weight as you can for what you are going to do 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:18.000 Now if you're a trail walker and you're not going to be off trail a lot and you have good ankles, a low top's fine 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:22.000 Recognize in the pacific northwest you're going to be dealing with a lot of mud often times 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:32.000 There's a lot of light weight low top hikers today and trail runners that are really pretty good shoes 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:36.000 I don't use them, I use them around here. Actually that's that shoe 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:40.000 but it's got an e vent and it keeps me dry 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.000 but I have very bad ankles 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.000 and I can look at a crack in the sidewalk and my ankle will roll 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:50.000 and it's just kind of sports injuries catching up to me 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.000 I want something that's going to give me more support 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:57.000 Plus I carry fairly heavy loads and I'm off trail a lot of times 00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:63.000 so the more off trail and rocky kinds of unstable footing, the more stable footwear you need 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:08.000 so go as light as you can for what your planned kind of travel is 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.000 and there's a wide variety of these things 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:18.000 In the pacific northwest what I would typically recommend is some type of a waterproof breathable liner 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.000 like gortex or e vent 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.000 There a number of them out there, proprietary types of things 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:28.000 and that's definitely worth it around here 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:34.000 From a pack standpoint, again you can see my little chart in the middle here 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.000 There we go 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.000 So depending upon if you're doing day trips 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:45.000 typically you're looking at a fairly small, and most packs are in liters today, you'll still see some in cubic inches 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:54.000 but typically you're looking at somewhere between about a 10 and maybe a 40 liter pack 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.000 that'd be a very big day pack 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:61.000 As small as you can. Problem is when you get a bigger pack you tend to pack it up 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.000 You carry more weight 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:09.000 If you're looking at weekend packs then we need a little bit more weight 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:16.000 If you're doing a lot of winter kind of stuff, again shoulder seasons, then you need to carry more then obviously you're going to have to deal with a little bit more 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.000 One of the nice things today is you have a wide variety of choices 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:25.000 There are packs that are really lightweight packs that are essentially just like the old rucksacks 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.000 that are made with synthetics that are very lightweight 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:32.000 and the idea is you're not going to carry as much weight and you can go faster 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:37.000 There are also a lot of really nice, what I would call limousine type packs 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:43.000 I happen to have...it's not red, it's gray. But I happen to have this one 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:50.000 Because it's cushy I can carry big loads and the belt...it shouldn't be called backpacking it should be called hip packing today 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:55.000 You can carry a lot of loads and it feels like a lot less weight 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:60.000 You have to kind of try some of those things and I'd be glad to talk with you 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:05.000 if you have questions on any of those, if you're hunting for packs and so forth 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:16.000 Obviously, one of the reasons I mentioned before, it's a lot nicer to spend time outdoors than it is on a treadmill 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:22.000 people telling you to go run and run around the track, run hard turn left, those kinds of things 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:27.000 So that's very nice, a lot of different resources that are out there to get you started 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:32.000 I would be glad like I said to talk with you about a number of these things further 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.000 When I moved to Oregon, and I highly recommend this book 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.000 It was the first edition at that time 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.000 and William Sullivan has several guidebooks that are out there 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:48.000 but the Exploring Oregon's Wild Areas is an awesome book 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:54.000 It does a good job in the foreword talking a little bit about some of the equipment you need, those types of things 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:58.000 and then it gives you areas that are specific to where you live in Oregon 00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:65.000 and it'll give you everything from day hikes to long hikes, multi day hike kinds of things 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.000 so that's a really good resource that I highly recommend 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:11.000 there are lots of backpacking books out there 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:18.000 that's the best general one I've found as far as dealing with the whole state of Oregon. We can argue about that. 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:24.000 The other one when you look and this is more of a technical skill related book 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.000 is Mountaineering The Freedom of the Hills, there's a lot of mountaineering things in there 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:34.000 but a lot of good map and compass, leave no trace, skills, fire building, all those kinds of things 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:39.000 and it's more of a handbook textbook type of a situation 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.000 These are two that I'd recommend 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:49.000 to give you some background in land navigation, use of GPS, use of maps with a GPS 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:55.000 use of map and compass together so those are really good ones that I'm familiar with 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:60.000 and then I've got some things through my faculty web page 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:06.000 that also can help, are really good aids I think as far as map and compass and those things 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:13.000 So those are some of the basics 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.000 I stuck up here an equipment list 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:21.000 obviously this is a fairly busy slide but I just thought I'd stick it up there for you 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:25.000 and you can look at some of the things that we've talked about already 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.000 So this is for backpacking not a day hike 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:38.000 and then this is one of my...actually from last fall 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:44.000 Anybody recognize that mountain? It's a little different view maybe 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.000 It is three finger Jack, very good. 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:52.000 This is actually from the duffy lakes basin moving over toward on top of what's called red butte. 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:56.000 Looking over it backwards 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.000 we got up there for the sunrise 00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:61.000 so we had a few intrepid ones, most of them were back at camp 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:09.000 and a few intrepids wanted to go out and watch the sun come up over Mount Jefferson to the west, or to the east excuse me 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:12.000 and there's my little buddy there. 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:19.000 A number of different places to go so I'm going to ask about things that you wanted so I'm just going to flip through some pictures here 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:27.000 to get you fired up, see if you have...that's a neat area 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.000 any questions, got a little marmot there checking us out on the trail 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:42.000 some mountain heather, we're on a place called devil's dome right there with jack mountain in the back of us 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.000 WOMAN IN AUDIENCE how much do you count on finding food? 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:57.000 Really the only thing I will typically find is in the spring and kind of through...there's lots of berries and so forth 00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:62.000 obviously if you're in later fall early spring there's not as many of those things 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:05.000 there's a lot of fungii 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:11.000 I like mushrooms but you got to know what you're doing 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.000 In fact I took a mushroom class 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:17.000 because I wanted to know a little bit more 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:21.000 and there are some I feel very confident with and some not 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:33.000 One of the things that I remember from that class was the guy that taught it said there are old mushroom hunters and there are bold mushroom hunters but there are no old bold mushroom hunters 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.000 So you have to be sure of what you're getting 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:43.000 but it's amazing especially in the coast range and the lower cascades where you look 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:48.000 and there's an amazing amount of things that you can consume 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.000 Fish, yeah. 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:58.000 So it depends on where I'm going and how sure I am about those things and whether or not I 00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:61.000 just plan on that, but you can go a lot lighter doing some of those things. 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.000 So there's a lot of light weight rigs and so forth, 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:11.000 Audience member: And you talked about bringing the fire, bringing something to strike, I love those belts, 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:17.000 There's belts you can find at Eugene Saturday Market that have the the flint right in the belt buckle. 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.000 Tom: Right, there are a number of things. 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:25.000 Audience Member: But with the wet wood around, after you get your little starter going, what do you do? 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:28.000 Tom: So, if you can use a flint and steel, 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.000 then you have to have some charred cloth with you. 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:36.000 So that catches that spark and then you basically build a birds nest around that 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:42.000 It's very tedious and you have to spend the time and it's easier if you're gathering things or you take those things with you in your 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:47.000 your survival kit. What the mountain men used to call their possibles bag, 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:52.000 and so you have that little thing and then you put your charred cloth in there, and then you're going to get that 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:59.000 and do the same thing with a bow drill fire, and you're going to blow on it so you've got to have all of those things all ready 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:05.000 I can't tell you how many kids I've taught how to build fire and the biggest problem I see, well two things, 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:09.000 is they aren't patient enough to get all the tinder they need. 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.000 so they get the fire going and it goes out because then they run off to go get more. 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:20.000 Or they put too much wood on it, and obviously fire burns a lot better if you've got a lot of oxygen in there as well. 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:24.000 Audience Member: But do you find enough seasoned, dry. 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:28.000 Tom: I mentioned a knife, 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:33.000 I don't take a 3 inch blade. Whenever I go on multi day trips, I have a 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:36.000 and it's weighty and people look at me funny, 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:44.000 but it's a big hunting knife and I can get in to the interior of wood so I can do a little whittling and I can get dry wood. 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:50.000 You look at downed tree, I can go underneath and I can find some dry wood but I can't do it without a tool. 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:54.000 So that's one of the reasons I don't skimp on the weight there. 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:60.000 But that's just my feeling. You'll have people that disagree with that. 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:06.000 I like that picture it looks like Moses on the mountain there. That's Mount Jefferson from Jorn Lake. 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:15.000 can you find the hiker there? Right there. 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:19.000 That's the old B n B burn on Mount Jefferson wilderness. 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:24.000 One of the things I really like going into burn areas, you have to be careful in the wind, but 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:29.000 you can see Vistas that are amazing now whereas before you were just in a tunnel. 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:37.000 you've got different things coming back, so I'm not a fan of forest fires but it's a natural process and you know 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:40.000 in the aftermath, there's some interesting things. 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:45.000 This in an interesting area in Eastern Oregon. The Wenaha Toucanan Wilderness. 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:50.000 And I'll just kind of wrap up here, but this is the 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:55.000 the most wildlife dense area of Oregon. 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:62.000 In my opinion. I have never gone there on any trip even on a day trip where I haven't seen 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:13.000 at least 2 or 3 bear, at least 1 or 2 mountain goats. They have big horned sheep there as well. 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:19.000 I never take my dog, because there's lots and lots of rattlesnakes. 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:25.000 It's in the northern Blue Mountains, over towards the Snake River a little bit but it is a 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.000 amazingly beautiful area right in the Oregon Washington border. 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:37.000 And again, lots and lots of things to see. You can see the snake down there, I don't know if you can see. 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:41.000 I take a stick when I'm in that and I'm very careful where I step. 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:47.000 Problem is you get a lot of undergrowth, bear? Oh bear. 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:52.000 Whenever I go I take bear spray. 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:58.000 And there's wolves in this particular area, in this one there's two packs in this area. 00:54:58.000 --> 00:54:64.000 But I always carry bear spray and that's one of the things, Linda, that 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:09.000 when I'm out there, I'm more worried about people to be perfectly honest than I am about wildlife. 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:12.000 But I think part of being prepared is that 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:18.000 you're prepared for those kinds of situations and if you look at the human bear encounters, 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:26.000 you get a lot fewer problems with human injuries when you use bear spray as opposed to a gun. 00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:31.000 Acts on it more, you think about how you react to a skunk when you see it, and again, 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:38.000 there's lots and lots of research on those encounters with those so I always carry it 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:44.000 I've, yes I have. But I've never used it on a bear, I've used it on a dog. 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:48.000 And the other guy was not happy, but I didn't want to get bit. 00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:52.000 And he didn't have it under control so yeah. 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:58.000 Goes about 30 feet, I wouldn't get the ones that go about 10 feet. I like a little bit more 00:55:58.000 --> 00:55:62.000 a little bit more, oh that's another story. We wont go there. 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:11.000 It was one of my wildlife encounters with, where we parked at the trail head, one of the guys I was with left a package of potato 00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:16.000 chips in the car and there were mice. 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:22.000 They'd gone up through the engine and got into the car and the whole way back we were 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:27.000 we had all of our gear in the back, this mouse would pop up and we'd pull over and try 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:32.000 to chase him back we were like the beaters and brush, anyway funny story. 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:36.000 Audience Member: I thought you were going to say the bears got in there. 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:47.000 Tom: So any questions on places that you are interested on going? I probably had too many slides there. 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.000 Any questions about potential 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:53.000 Audience member: Whats your favorite all time hike. 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:61.000 Tom: My favorite multi day? So probably the favorite multi day hike, 00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:06.000 I don't know. Two or three of them, I went 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:10.000 to Colorado with my brother once in a place called the Weminuche Wilderness 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:15.000 which is the largest wilderness area in Colorado in the San Juan mountains which is down 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:23.000 South Western Colorado, there are about 2,014 one thousand foot peaks through that area, 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:26.000 it's just rugged and amazing beautiful. 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:31.000 We had to ride and one of the favorite parts of this is we had to ride a narrow gauge trail into the trail head. 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:37.000 So we got on in Durango, Colorado and we rode in with all of these tourists that were going to Silverton on this narrow gauge 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:44.000 old steam engine train and you pull on the break thing and it signals them and they let you off 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:48.000 in the middle of no where and all these guys are like "wow you're getting off" it was very ego building, 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:52.000 So and we were gone and so that was really fun. 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:61.000 I really have loved several of the Wollowa trips. There's East Eagle and there's a loop you can do there that's really 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.000 really beautiful, 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:11.000 I love the North Cascades and I've done several trips there that are really beautiful. 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:16.000 Depends on what you're looking for, if you're looking for beauty, 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:21.000 or animals or because there are lot of different places, solitude, which is big, 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:35.000 Yeah. So, you know I love a lot of the Mount Jefferson Wilderness area, there's a lot of little trips there, 3 Sisters Wilderness area, 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:40.000 really nice beautiful area. It's hard to say, 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.000 Audience Member: what is your favorite day hike? 00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:48.000 Tom: my favorite day hike, how close to Monmouth are we talking? 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:59.000 Within a couple of hours? A hundred miles. Day hike, hundred miles. There are some really good day hikes in the lower cascades 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:04.000 if you go up into the little north fork, 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:14.000 in Opal creek area and to Bull of The Woods you can do some loops that are anything from you know, 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:18.000 8 miles to 20 miles loops or shorter. 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:24.000 Just really beautiful areas. You can get up on the ridge tops and hop across the ridge tops, 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.000 lots of mushrooms lots of different, 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:32.000 in the springtime the rhododendrons come out so it's very green, 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:37.000 with splashes on pink and great waterfalls. 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:42.000 And none of them are named and you kind of just wander along, and there you come across this 40 foot waterfall and it's just beautiful. 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:51.000 So I love that area. One of my favorites though probably would be going up 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:59.000 to the trail head at East Brighton Bush and going from there, that's a pretty good grind, 00:59:59.000 --> 00:59:62.000 but going from there and there's a little used trail 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:08.000 there are easier ways to get into Jefferson Park, but going from there going into Jefferson Park, right at the foot Mount Jefferson 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:17.000 and you change from rainforest to the high alpine forest, and you're going through snowfields and it is really really pretty.