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thank you everybody for coming

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today I'm so excited to welcome

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you to our UN Day

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speaker event Western Oregon

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Model United Nations along

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with Salem chapter UNA and

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Willamette Model United Nations

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is co-sponsoring tonight's event for yu

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I'm Amber I am one

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of the co-presidents of Model

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United Nations and this is 

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Matt Stefansky my other co-president

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if you have any questions or

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concerns tonight during the event

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just wave one of us down and

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we're happy to help and with

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that I will turn it over to the UNA

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first a little bit about the UNA

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many of you know but I'll mention

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a few things -- anyway the

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United Nations Association USA

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is a movement of Americans to

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support the United Nations and

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the reason we say UNA-USA

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is many countries around the

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world in fact most I think have

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within their own countries

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supporting the UN -- with over

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twenty thousand members

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sixty percent of them being

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than two hundred chapters are

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located on college campuses

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and the idea is that UNA

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USA members are united

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in their commitment to global

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engagement -- and advancing the

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purposes of the United Nations

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that we have membership

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cards right over here and if

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you're under twenty six it's free

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to join and we could use the members okay

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tonight we will hear a first-hand account

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of what our speaker Professor

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Warren Binford discovered when

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she and her colleagues walked

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into the Clint border patrol facility

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on a routine visit

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outside El Paso Texas in June of this year

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she will explain what the team discovered 

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over he course of four days of

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observation and interviews

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with some seventy children

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Warren teaches law

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at Willamette University

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she's also the director of

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the clinical law program 

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she's an internationally recognized

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children's law expert and

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she was invited to conduct a

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series of interviews not just

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of this facility but also --

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since 2017 of children in the

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reading about this in a former

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Walmart store the Tornia

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tent city and more recently

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as I said in the Clint border

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patrol facility that she'll speak

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of tonight Professor Binford

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holds a master's degree with

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distinction and a masters

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in education from Boston

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University and a law degree

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from Harvard -- regarding the

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subject of tonight's program

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she's been interviewed on CNN

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PBS and I saw an article

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in The Guardian and The New Yorker

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magazine so with that

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please join me in welcoming

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Professor Warren Binford

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thank you I'd like to ask that

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we create space now for the

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children to speak to us and

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to share their stories and

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experiences if you'd be willing

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to share the quote that's on

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your postcard would you please stand up

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my quote is we sleep on a cement bench 

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my son is badly traumatized he wonders when we

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will get to the United States

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I do not tell him that we are

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we are already here he wouldn't

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believe that the United States

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would treat us this way 

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I left El Salvador because I received

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death threats because I am gay

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the same people who threatened

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me beat up beat one of my

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transsexual friends to death

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I was scared they also would

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beat me to death and would harm my daughter

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my son is still suffering from a terrible

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cough and cold from how cold

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the dog house was those four nights

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 on the second day we

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were at the hilera they took

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my mother away from me and

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had her speak to someone on the

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phone but they were speaking

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Spanish to her and my mother

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does not speak Spanish I tried

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to go to her to translate for

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her but they would not let

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me help my mom they kept me

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away from her so she could

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not communicate our claim for asylum

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the female guards yelled

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at my daughter a lot called

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her names and made fun of her

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they made my daughter in the

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other girls stripped naked in

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front of them and oogled the girls

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before their showers 

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at la parera I was separated from mother

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over our objections I was very

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worried and frightened because

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I was put with strangers 

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the facility is locked I cannot

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leave I was warned that I'd

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get in trouble one of the other

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teen boys got into trouble

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when we were told that he was

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taken to the freezer blocks

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hileras as punishment 

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I wished that the quotes that you read

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today were the exception but

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the fact is that all along

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our southern border there are

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children who can testify to

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being treated the way that you

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just heard in 1985

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two children's advocates - two children's advocates 

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discovered that they were

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children who were held

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in an abandoned hotel in Los

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Angeles by the Immigration 

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Naturalization Service which

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is the precursor to ICE in

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that hotel the girls were

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being strip searched they were

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being locked up with strangers

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they were not being provided

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with adequate food access

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to education recreational

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facilities anything it was

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surrounded by razor wire and

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they knew that this was a

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violation of the children's rights

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they discovered that

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about eighteen hundred miles

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away in Texas there were also

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children being held there

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and girls there were being

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vaginally searched on a

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regular basis and subjected to

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the same condition and so those

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two attorneys brought a lawsuit

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against the federal government

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and said you're violating

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these children's constitutional

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rights and you have to stop it

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essentially what the

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government was doing was they

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were holding the children as

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bait in order to try and draw

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their parents out from society

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to come and collect their

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children to save them from

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this abusive detention but the

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parents knew that if they came

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forward the entire family's

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lives would be threatened if

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home countries and so instead

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they sent other members of the

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family who were here lawfully

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in the United States to collect

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the children and the Reagan

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administration refused to

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release the children to their

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relatives despite the fact

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that those relatives were

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authorized by the children's

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parents to come and get them 

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so over the next twelve years the

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United States fought with the

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children and their attorneys

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about whether or not keeping

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children in these detentions

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was in fact a violation of

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their constitutional rights and

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blocking their release to their

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families whether that was a

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violation their constitutional

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rights and the case Flores

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went all the way up to the

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Supreme Court and back down

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again sometimes the court sided

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with the children sometimes

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they sided with the government

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until finally in nineteen

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ninety seven the children's

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attorneys and the government

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sat down and they said let's

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just agree that children shouldn't

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be locked up let's agree that

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children belong with their families

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and that when a child

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comes to the United States

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we're going to process them as

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expeditiously as possible and

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we're gonna release them to

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their families priority will

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be given to their parents if

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they don't have a parent in

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the United States then they

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will be placed with another

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family member if they have no

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parents or other family member

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in the United States then

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the child will be released to

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another adult authorized by the

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parent not the government but

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the parent to take custody of the

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child and only if there's no

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parent family member or other

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authorized adult in the United

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States will the government

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take responsibility for this

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child well those first three

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categories in early 2019

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accounted for 89 percent of the children

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in government custody 

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well going back to 1997

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the government said well

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in addition to agreeing that

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children shouldn't be locked up

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that they belong with family

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or other adults authorized by

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their family to take care of

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them let's agree that children

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should be fed let's agree that

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children should be provided

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with appropriate care in light

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of the fact that their children

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so this translates into safe

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and sanitary conditions it's

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what the government agreed to

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the government when that

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settlement was entered by

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the courts that it was binding

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on the two parties was then

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responsible for creating a

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safe and sanitary conditions

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care providing them with the

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appropriate levels of care such

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as education and recreation and

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things like that that children

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need in order to be healthy

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during the time they're in

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government care and that the

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government was supposed to

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go ahead and implement those

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standards in more detail in its

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regulations because of course

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what you have is you have the

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three branches of government

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you've got the legislature

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they create the law you have

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the executive branch and they

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implement the law and the way

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that they implement the law

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is by passing promulgating

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regulations which carry out

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the laws that are passed by

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Congress and then of course

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you have the judiciary which

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interprets the law and they're

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the ones who in addition to

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interpreting statutes that are

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passed by Congress they also

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interpret the constitution

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and Flores was a question

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about whether or not these

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children had constitutional

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rights and they determined

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the children had certain

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constitutional rights but not

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other constitutional rights in

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before we were able to run that

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through all the way to the end

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both sides agreed that children

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have certain rights and so

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now it's the executive branch's

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responsibility to implement

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those rights as regulations

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but guess what happened

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they never promulgated until just 

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last summer so what happened

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was a few years later the

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children's attorneys came back

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together with the government

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attorneys and they say okay

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so you're not making a lot of

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progress on this this wasn't

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supposed to last forever and

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we were supposed to end this

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settlement -- you know at

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the point at which you were

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compliant so what we'll do

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is we'll just agree that the

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settlement will stay in place

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not until you're compliant

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but until you pass these

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regulations until the executive

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branch passes the regulations

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that decides things like

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whether or not kids get soap

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whether or not kids that are

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in government custody get beds

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whether or not kids in custody

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get blankets and I know what

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a lot of people assumed the

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regulations were going to say

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because the basic principles

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had already been agreed to

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between the government and the

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children's attorneys so fast

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forward to 2014 what

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happened in 2014

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anybody know what happened with

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regard to migration flows in 2014

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you're shaking your head yes 

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never shake your head yes when there's

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a teacher in front of the room

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so about five years ago we saw

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an increase in children coming

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from the northern triangle

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what countries constitute the

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northern triangle where is the

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northern triangle Honduras is one

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El Salvador and Guatemala

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so these are all

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in Central America and we saw an

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increase of children coming

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from these three countries 

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what do you think would have been

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driving them from these three

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countries in 2014 - gangs 

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yeah so a lot of these

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kids were being driven out

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of their homelands because

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of gang violence the girls

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were being forced into sex

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slavery that basically they

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said either you become my

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girlfriend voluntarily or the

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entire game will gang rape

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you and I'm gonna control

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you anyway and have sex with

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you whenever I want however I want

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and to the boys they were

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saying either you do what we

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want you to you be our runner

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you spy on people

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you kill people whatever

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it is that the gang tells

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you to do or else we will

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kill you or someone you love

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so think about the political

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context in which these gangs

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came to power if you go back

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to the 1950's you

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saw the rise of democratic

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government in Central America

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and in Guatemala in particular

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they had a democracy that

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was going through its second

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major national election and

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the people who are being

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elected to power did not

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like the fact that there

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was a multinational it was

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basically a US corporation

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United Fruit Corporation

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that owned a lot of land and

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Guatemala and was notorious

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for abusing and exploiting its

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work force and the Guatemalan

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leadership that was elected

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a power said this is not right

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this is our land this is our

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people's land it's now United

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Fruit Corporation is now known

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as Chiquita Bananas I don't

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know if anyone recognizes that

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name but basically they knew

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that they were so notoriously

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abusive that they needed to

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re-brand so they did so today

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Chiquita Banana and

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basically what they did you

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the United Fruit Corporation

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went up to Washington DC and

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they said you're not gonna

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believe what's happening in

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Guatemala right now we've

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got democratically elected

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leadership who don't like is

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the owning all this planning

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and exploiting their citizens

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go figure so the US government

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said well that's a problem

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especially when you think about

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the fact that those communists

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because what was happening in

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the 1950's are getting a

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foothold in Cuba and we have a

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geo political agenda where we

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need to defend our control over

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Central America so what ended

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up happening in this is all

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verifiable in the CIA records that have since been

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made public there's just settled

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history so I'm not I'm not

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peddling any conspiracy theories

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here it is our American history

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we backed folks to overthrow

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that democratically elected

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governments in order to protect

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our corporate interests and in

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order to maintain control over

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political leadership in that realm

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because we thought that

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their ideas of the need of the

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democracy the leaders who had

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been elected properly might

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lead the country into socialism

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god forbid so wait then 

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perpetuated very weak governance

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in that region and what

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do you know happens

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when you create a vacuum

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exactly vacuums get filled

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so what ends up happening is

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alternative power structures arise

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and on top of that our

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country decides that it likes

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drugs likes a lot of drugs and

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there's a lot of money to be

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made in drugs moving from South

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America through Central America

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up through Mexico and the US border

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so our hands are all over this

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and we know it so we

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say we're gonna give Guatemala

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preferential asylum treatment

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preferential protections

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and we're going to give them

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significant aid in order

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to foster this relationship

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between our countries and so we

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have been involved in Central

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American politics actively

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for seventy years and we know

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it so during this time Obama

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says all my gosh we've got all

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these kids coming to America

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we've got all these Guatemalans

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living in America because we've

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developed a close relationship

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with them so let's figure out

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what we should do here it's

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really really dangerous for

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kids to walk or travel the eighteen

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hundred miles between the

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northern triangle and the US

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Mexican border approximately

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seventy percent of the girls

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who make that journey report

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sexual assault during that

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journey kids get kidnapped

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they're held for ransom they

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are killed one of my colleagues

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interviewed two kids and what

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Mexico a couple months ago

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they were dead before he got on

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the airplane back to New York

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it is a dangerous journey so

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the Obama administration said

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well first of all let's just

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trying to create some order

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on this chaos and he created

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the Central American Miner Program

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or CAMP or CAM and he

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said anybody any kid who has

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relatives in the United States

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who are documented can apply to

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come to the United States and

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we will conduct a screening

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of them legally in their home

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country and we will conduct a

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medical screening of them in

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their home country and in fact

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if they have a legal basis

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for being here in the United

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States then we will transport

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them by airplane safely and

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get them to their family

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but in addition it took awhile

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to develop that program and

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in addition to those kids

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that the Obama administration

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developed a safe way for them

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to come to United States we

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had thousands of kids coming

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alone to the US border and

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the Obama administration was

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taking thirty days to process

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these kids and at one point

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he was trying to hold them

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indefinitely but the court said

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no so I was really upset

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President Obama because there

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is no reason why you should

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keep kids locked up for thirty

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days at least most kids in most

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circumstances certainly most

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kids in these circumstances

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so we thought he wasn't doing

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a good enough job so those

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attorneys the Flores attorneys from 1985

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well guess what they're still around

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and they still care so they

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bring an enforcement action

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and say they are violating

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the children's rights because

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these children have a right to

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be placed with their families

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expeditiously that is in our

00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.000
settlement agreement regardless

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of whether you think that

00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:08.000
they're entitled to that right

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under some legal authority this

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is what we worked out after

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twelve years of litigation and

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so the court said you're right

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government how long do you

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think it's going to take you

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to process these kids at most

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government said probably about

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twenty days so the Flores court

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said okay you need to process

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the kids in twenty days that's

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in addition to the seventy

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two hours that the border

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patrol assigned to themselves

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in their own rules in their

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own standards that says that

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normally we are not going to

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keep anybody here for more

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than seventy two hours not

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even kids especially not kids

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I should say so you've got the

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standard with border patrol

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where kids aren't supposed

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to be there for more than a

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few hours and then you've got

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this standard of twenty days

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under Flores and then on top

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of that in the meanwhile the

00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:02.000
Bush administration the Bush

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number two administration

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passed bipartisan legislation

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signed it into law called it the

00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:11.000
Trafficking Victim Protection

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Reauthorization Act and that said

00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.000
that basically these

00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.000
children were supposed to be

00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.000
processed quickly and that

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placed if they could be placed

00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:24.000
with their parents they were

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supposed to be -- placed in the

00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.000
least restrictive environment

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possible in accordance with

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the child's best interest

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which is foster care so we've

00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:36.000
got like a whole plan here right we've

00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.000
got the standards we've got

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timelines we know what

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we can and can't do we know

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we can't lock children up more

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than twenty days normally we

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know we're supposed to be placing

00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:48.000
them with their families

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we know we're supposed to

00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:50.000
be keeping them safe and

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sanitary conditions and we

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know that we're supposed to

00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:54.000
be promulgating regulations

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to make all of this permanent

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and clear for everybody

00:21:59.000 --> 00:21:64.000
but then somebody wrote a memo

00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:10.000
that was leaked to Senator Merkley in early 2017 

00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:13.000
that said I've got an idea

00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:15.000
let's this let's develop

00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:19.000
an immigration policy that

00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.000
hurts kids that hurts families

00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:24.000
that makes immigration to

00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:26.000
the United States painful so

00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:31.000
that these people stop coming

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well they decided what can you

00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.000
do that hurts a kid the most

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painful thing that you can do

00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.000
to hurt a kid is to separate

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them from the adult who cares

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for them which is usually the

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mom and or dad or both 

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so in 2017 they started

00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.000
a pilot they being the US

00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:57.000
government started a pilot a

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program of separating children

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from their parents they didn't

00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:04.000
do it to all families arriving

00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:05.000
to the United States only did

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it to some and the word got

00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:12.000
out to arriving migrants and

00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.000
asylum seekers did you know

00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:15.000
that we might separate your

00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.000
your child from you take your

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child from you and they said

00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.000
yes and they said well why did

00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.000
you still come and they said

00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.000
because if I stayed in our

00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:25.000
home country they were going

00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.000
to kill us and I would rather

00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:29.000
be separated from my child then

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have me or my child killed so

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the government said well in

00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.000
that case let's make the

00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:41.000
let's make the practice universal

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what nobody seems to have

00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.000
read is the research that

00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.000
shows that if you wanted to

00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:50.000
turn migration you don't come

00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.000
down with strict migration

00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.000
policies anti immigration

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policies because that often

00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:59.000
actually increases migration

00:23:59.000 --> 00:23:61.000
so they try this cruel new policy

00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.000
at separating kids from their

00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.000
parents and guess what numbers

00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.000
don't go down the families

00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:11.000
keep coming because the theory

00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:12.000
is if people think that this

00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.000
is going to become permanent

00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.000
this might be our last chance

00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.000
so let's go ahead if we ever

00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.000
thought about migrating to

00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:20.000
the United States let's go

00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:21.000
now because we might not get

00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.000
a second chance and that's in

00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.000
addition to the people whose

00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:27.000
lives are being threatened

00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.000
or are being threatened with

00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.000
sexual abuse or whatever it

00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.000
is that's driving them from

00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:33.000
their home countries and

00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:34.000
generally people don't leave

00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.000
home unless they really have to

00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.000
it's not something that's

00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.000
easy to do and it's important

00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.000
for us to recognize that when

00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:42.000
we think about what's bringing

00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:46.000
people to United States

00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.000
so we started to separate

00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.000
kids from their parents and

00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:52.000
during that 2014

00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:53.000
surge where those Flores

00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:55.000
attorneys came back to court

00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.000
and they said the Obama

00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:59.000
administration is keeping these

00:24:59.000 --> 00:24:62.000
kids per thirty days and it is

00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:05.000
outrageous they said you know

00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:06.000
we're going to execute our

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.000
right which is set up in the

00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:09.000
settlement agreement in Flores

00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:11.000
that allows us to go into the

00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:13.000
facilities and interview their

00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.000
the kids and document

00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.000
what their experiences are and

00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.000
it was under that provision

00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:23.000
that in 2017 I was sent an email 

00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.000
and asked if I would join one of those

00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.000
site inspection teams it was

00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:28.000
for Dilley which is the largest

00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.000
family residential facility in

00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.000
the country it can hold twenty

00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:40.000
four hundred individuals now I

00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:45.000
get to Dilley and it's about sixty

00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:46.000
two percent sixty three percent

00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:50.000
capacity something like that

00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:52.000
this was during the time when

00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.000
they were first piloting family

00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:55.000
separation and let me tell

00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:57.000
you for a moment about family

00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:58.000
separation when I talked to

00:25:58.000 --> 00:25:60.000
when I interviewed the kids

00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.000
equipment separated and I

00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.000
then went over to some of the

00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.000
facilities where the parents

00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:06.000
had been separated were -- were

00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:09.000
being kept they told me bone

00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:11.000
chilling accounts of what was

00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:12.000
done to them at the hands of

00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.000
the US government they told me

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.000
that they would take the child

00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:19.000
from the mom and the child

00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:20.000
in the mom would not want to

00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.000
separate and they would tell

00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.000
the mom that you are going to

00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.000
be going to court we're gonna

00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:28.000
have to handcuff you you don't

00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.000
want your child to see you in

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.000
that way and so we're doing

00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.000
this to protect your child from

00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.000
trauma and they wouldn't take

00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.000
the child from the mother 

00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.000
take the mother to court and then

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:41.000
the mother would come back from

00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.000
court and her child would be

00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.000
gone or at least she couldn't

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:46.000
see the child but then we

00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:48.000
would learn from the child that

00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:49.000
actually she was being kept in

00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.000
another part of the facility

00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.000
and then after the sun went

00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.000
down while her mom was still in

00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:55.000
that facility but couldn't hear

00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.000
her crying and couldn't see her

00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:60.000
they took the child outside

00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.000
put her on a bus with blacked out

00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.000
windows are actually that was

00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.000
a van put her in a van and

00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.000
then drove over to an airport

00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.000
tarmac where in the dark of

00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.000
night they loaded her and a

00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.000
bunch of other kids into a bus

00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:16.000
with blacked out windows and

00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:20.000
drove her all night long across

00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.000
one state line and then another

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.000
state line until she was in

00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.000
the middle of no where and they

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:28.000
took her to a bus station and

00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:29.000
then they separated her out

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:31.000
into buses with the other kids

00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.000
and then they drove through the

00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:34.000
middle of no where and dropped

00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.000
off one kid at this house

00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.000
two kids at this building one kid

00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.000
here four kids there until

00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.000
finally they dropped her off at

00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.000
the very last stop not knowing

00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.000
where she was not knowing where

00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.000
her mother was not knowing

00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.000
what was going to happen to her

00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.000
another mother talked about

00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.000
the fact that they told her

00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:58.000
that they were taking her child

00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:62.000
away to give him a shower 

00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.000
I want you to think about that

00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:05.000
I want you to think about the

00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:08.000
history of telling parents

00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:09.000
that their children are being

00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.000
given showers and the fact that

00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.000
US government officials would

00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:18.000
say that as a lie to reassure

00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.000
the parents and then not have

00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.000
contact with those with that

00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:28.000
child often for months so in

00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.000
addition to these incredibly

00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.000
painful separations that were

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:35.000
literally put into buses

00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:36.000
in the middle of the night

00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:40.000
on airport tarmac you had me

00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.000
going into these facilities

00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.000
and saying that we had eight

00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.000
hundred empty beds here at 

00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.000
Dilley and they're in court in

00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.000
the meanwhile they being the

00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.000
government is in court in the

00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.000
meanwhile telling the judge in

00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:60.000
Flores we have so many

00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:01.000
kids coming across the border

00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.000
now and we have no place to

00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.000
keep them that we need to open

00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.000
up a band in military bases

00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.000
and keep them there the problem

00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.000
is the day they did that five

00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.000
months later and I just happen

00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.000
to be a Dilley again and guess what

00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.000
we again read about sixty

00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.000
one percent capacity which

00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.000
means they still had eight

00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:29.000
hundred empty beds same thing

00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.000
happened a few months ago same

00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:32.000
thing happening now but the

00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:35.000
government literally was lying

00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:36.000
to the court in trying to in

00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.000
order to try and put these kids

00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:41.000
in military bases while they

00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:42.000
were so forcibly separating

00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.000
them from their parents

00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.000
so then I was asked will you go

00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.000
go to the Walmart which is

00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.000
the largest child detention

00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.000
facility in the country well

00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.000
at this point I'm scheduled to

00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:59.000
go to Paris for my husband's

00:29:59.000 --> 00:29:63.000
birthday and I'm thinking 

00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.000
of course I'm going to Walmart

00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:10.000
god bless my husband

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.000
I go into Walmart and to the

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:18.000
right of me I see a giant

00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:22.000
mural of a man with rays of

00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.000
sun coming out of his head I

00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.000
say who's that they say Father Juan

00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.000
I say who's Father Juan is he a priest

00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.000
oh no he's an attorney from Harvard

00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:37.000
so I don't trust those that

00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.000
much I know right so they said

00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.000
he is the CEO of the nonprofit

00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.000
that runs the Walmart which

00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.000
is called Casa Padre house of

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.000
the father Casa Padre 

00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.000
house of the father you would think

00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:53.000
that is religious except for

00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:57.000
that now they call this man Juan

00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.000
Father they tell the kids to

00:30:59.000 --> 00:30:62.000
call this man Father so next

00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.000
to Father Juan there is a

00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.000
wall I love what appear to be

00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.000
one dollar bills but instead

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.000
of George Washington's face

00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.000
and that little oval part of

00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:17.000
the bill it's Father Juan and

00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.000
I say what are those they say

00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:26.000
all those are Juan dollar bills

00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:28.000
well I suppose what are Juan

00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.000
dollar bills they said those

00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.000
are employee rewards for doing

00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:35.000
what Father Juan wants us to

00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.000
so I'm thinking this

00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.000
place is messed up

00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.000
until I learned that they're

00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.000
charging somewhere depending

00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.000
on the day and the capacity

00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:50.000
they're charging hundreds of

00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.000
dollars a day per child for

00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.000
these kids to be sleeping

00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.000
and wire beds in an abandoned

00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:61.000
Walmart and oh by the way that

00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.000
Walmart is being leased by

00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.000
a company owned by his wife

00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.000
and you're paying for it and

00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.000
I'm paying for and I think

00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.000
how much worse can it be so

00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:16.000
we do the inspection of the

00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.000
facility and we find out that

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.000
although most of these kids

00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.000
are Catholic who's coming

00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.000
in to preach to them that's right

00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:28.000
fundamentalist Christians

00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.000
because we know how much 

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.000
Catholicism and fundamentalism have

00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.000
in common and the kids were saying

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.000
we just don't understand why

00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.000
we can't speak to our priest

00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.000
and go to religious services

00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.000
that help us to connect with

00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.000
our god that's one of the

00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.000
things we miss most about being

00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.000
here so they experience this

00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.000
displacement of their faith

00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:54.000
and obviously a displacement

00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.000
of their culture and their

00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:56.000
language and everything else

00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.000
that we talked to some of the

00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:60.000
kids who are indigenous and

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.000
they talk about the fact that 

00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.000
I was with the only other child who

00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.000
was from the same areas I was

00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.000
who spoke my language and then

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.000
they separated us and now I

00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.000
have no one to talk to I don't

00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.000
speak Spanish I don't speak

00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.000
English and the other kid is

00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:20.000
all the way on the other side

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:23.000
the Walmart and you realize

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:24.000
that we have a type of cultural

00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.000
genocide that's going on in

00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.000
these facilities so I come

00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.000
around the corner to where the

00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:33.000
kids eat basically the freezer

00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.000
section if you know the lay out

00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.000
of a Walmart and I see a giant

00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:43.000
mural all of who else but our President

00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.000
Donald Trump a giant mural and it says

00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.000
beneath it sometimes you

00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:56.000
have to lose the battle to win the war 

00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:60.000
and I'm thinking does that even mean 

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.000
what kind of message are you sending to

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.000
these kids like what what is

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:08.000
that message for these children

00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:12.000
and six times a day the kids

00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:16.000
walk single file back and forth

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.000
past that mural without saying

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.000
and I'm thinking this is really

00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:25.000
messed up until they asked

00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.000
me a few months later can you

00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:33.000
go visit the Tornia tent city 

00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.000
what's the Tornia tent city

00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.000
well that's where we keep

00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.000
thousands of kids in tents out

00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.000
in the middle of the desert

00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.000
it's like well why would you

00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:44.000
keep thousands of kids in the

00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.000
middle of the desert because

00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:48.000
when we separated all those

00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:51.000
kids from their parents 

00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.000
we had no way to put them so what we

00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.000
did is we displaced a bunch of

00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.000
kids that were supposed to be

00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.000
in the final stages of their

00:34:59.000 --> 00:34:61.000
placement with their families

00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.000
in order to create space for

00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.000
this crisis basically that we

00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.000
created ourselves by forcibly

00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.000
separating children who should've

00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.000
be kept with their parents in the first place

00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.000
and we go and we meet with these kids

00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.000
we say how long have you been here

00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:24.000
six months nine months

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.000
I think well this is messed up

00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.000
and a few months later they

00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:33.000
said could you visit a couple

00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.000
of borders patrol stations

00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.000
outside of El Paso and I think

00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.000
you know what the week before

00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.000
my family vacation I'm about to

00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.000
leave why do they always call

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.000
me in June right right and I'm

00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.000
about to leave for six and a

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.000
half weeks to do children's

00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.000
rights lecture series in Japan

00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.000
but you bet I'll go down and

00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:60.000
meet with these kids a few

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.000
days before we're going were

00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.000
emailing each other where we going

00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.000
where are the kids 

00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.000
nobody knows we know that there's

00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.000
this mobile station that border

00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.000
patrol is setting up outside

00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.000
of El Paso where kids are

00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.000
reportedly being processed

00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.000
but then they keep moving it

00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.000
and it's like a cat and mouse game

00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:22.000
we have these rights of

00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.000
inspection under Flores that

00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.000
have been exercised in recent

00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:27.000
years as we've been trying to

00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:28.000
figure out what the government

00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.000
is doing with these kids 

00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.000
but they don't have an obligation

00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.000
to tell us specifically where

00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.000
kids are on any given day so

00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.000
we ask our contacts in El Paso

00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.000
and Juarez area and they

00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.000
said Thursday night before

00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.000
the Monday when we're going

00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.000
to arrive we hear that they're

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.000
moving kids into a border

00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.000
patrol facility called Clint

00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.000
so we look it up this is a tiny

00:36:59.000 --> 00:36:61.000
little border patrol facility

00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.000
that is approved for about

00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:05.000
a hundred adults a hundred

00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.000
single adults but we couldn't

00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.000
really find that rotating 

00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.000
facility that we heard about and

00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.000
so we went ahead and sent a

00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.000
moderate sized team in there

00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.000
and we walk in and they hand us

00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:25.000
a roster and it is page after

00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:28.000
page after page after page of

00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.000
kids we look at the number on

00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.000
the bottom of the last page

00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.000
there are three hundred and

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.000
fifty one kids and this

00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.000
border patrol facility that is

00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.000
authorized for over for just

00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.000
over a hundred adults and we

00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.000
looked at the ages of the kids

00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.000
and it was zero two zero four

00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:51.000
seven eight eleven two zero and

00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.000
we're like oh my god they're

00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.000
keeping hundreds of kids here

00:37:59.000 --> 00:37:61.000
and a significant number of

00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.000
them are tender-aged young children

00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:08.000
so I was not the team lead 

00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:13.000
but I immediately said

00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.000
we want to see the kids show us

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.000
where you're keeping all these

00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.000
kids you are only approved

00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.000
for 102 adult single

00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:20.000
adults like where you keeping

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.000
these kids and they go we -- 

00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.000
we were recently approved for

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.000
hundred was increased recently

00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.000
is what the -- the chief of

00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.000
the border patrol station

00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.000
said and I said you know what

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.000
we want to see the kids and

00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.000
they say we're not gonna show

00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.000
you you don't have rights of

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.000
inspection here because kids

00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.000
aren't supposed to be here in

00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:49.000
the first place they're only

00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:50.000
supposed to be there a few

00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:51.000
hours remember seventy two

00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.000
hours in border patrol twenty

00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:56.000
days and that next facility

00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.000
which is ORR the office

00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:60.000
of refugee resettlement which

00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:01.000
is the part of the government

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.000
that's responsible for caring

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.000
for kids while they're being

00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:05.000
processed until they can be

00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.000
placed with their families in

00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.000
the United States so we argue 

00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.000
with them and we lose because

00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.000
we know we don't have a right

00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:14.000
to inspect the border patrol

00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.000
facilities because they're right kids aren't supposed to

00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.000
be kept there there was never

00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.000
supposed to be kept there

00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:20.000
they're only supposed to be

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.000
as soon as the kid arrives

00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.000
border patrol notified to ORR

00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.000
ORR assigns them to

00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.000
a placement while the child's

00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.000
parents are being located and

00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:30.000
they are then transferred to

00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.000
that place within a matter of

00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.000
hours no more than a couple

00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:38.000
of days so we said okay fine

00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.000
bring us the youngest children

00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:42.000
the oldest children and bring

00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:44.000
us the child mothers because

00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.000
it was clear from the roster

00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:47.000
child mothers who were at

00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.000
this border patrol station

00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.000
so they bring us the children

00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:58.000
and they are filthy 

00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:61.000
they are hungry and they sit down with us

00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:05.000
and we explain my name is

00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.000
Warren Binford I'm an attorney

00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.000
for children I'm here because

00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:13.000
every child who is in the

00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.000
United States has the right

00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.000
to be treated well  

00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.000
there is a judge here in the United

00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.000
States who wants us to tell

00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.000
her whether or not you've been

00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:24.000
treated well since you came to

00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:28.000
the United States that's all I'd say

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.000
and they would break down

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.000
and they would start crying

00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.000
and over the next four

00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:38.000
days this was only supposed

00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.000
to be a few kids and it took

00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:43.000
us four days and we ended up

00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.000
interviewing approximately

00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:46.000
seventy kids during those four

00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.000
days and what we learned is

00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:53.000
that those kids were being kept

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:57.000
in a warehouse in a loading dock

00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.000
in tents in the desert 

00:40:59.000 --> 00:40:62.000
in jail cells and that many of

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.000
them were sick there was a lice

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.000
outbreak they were not being

00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.000
fed they were not being given

00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:14.000
showers they didn't have soap

00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.000
and most importantly there was

00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.000
nobody taking care of them 

00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.000
so what they described is that the

00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.000
guards would bring a little

00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.000
boy or little girl to a cell

00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.000
or to the warehouse and say

00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:30.000
who wants to take care of this

00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.000
little two year old boy who

00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:33.000
wants to take care of this

00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.000
little girl and then a seven

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.000
or eight year older nine year

00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:42.000
old would say oh he looks cute

00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.000
I'll take care of him and

00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.000
she wouldn't know how and so

00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:48.000
then should start to ask older

00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.000
kids how do you change a kid's

00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.000
diaper how do I make him eat

00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:56.000
and she would eventually lose

00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:57.000
interest and then there'd be

00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:60.000
nobody who was really caring for

00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.000
these children there weren't

00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:03.000
enough beds for these kids

00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:06.000
so these kids were describing

00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.000
sleeping on cement floors

00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.000
they were describing infant

00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.000
sleeping on cement floors they

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.000
describe one guard who when

00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:16.000
there was a lot outbreak that

00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:17.000
lice outbreak that I mentioned

00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.000
a few minutes ago they brought

00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:24.000
the kids two brushes to share

00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.000
yes what are the two things

00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.000
that you would never do yeah

00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.000
when you have a lice outbreak

00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:36.000
so one of those got lost and

00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:40.000
the guard got mad and he said

00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.000
I'm going to punish you for

00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:49.000
not giving back the lice brush

00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.000
by making you all sleep on the

00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.000
cement tonight you have five

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.000
minutes to find that brush and

00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:57.000
if you don't then I'm going

00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.000
to take everything out of your cell

00:42:59.000 --> 00:42:62.000
so he left and he came back

00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.000
five minutes later they hadn't

00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.000
found the brush so all the

00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.000
beds taking out the mattresses

00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.000
the bedding all taken out 

00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.000
and here wasn't much to begin with

00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.000
but what they had was

00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.000
all gone and this is on the

00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.000
third day we were there and

00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.000
when the girls from that cell

00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.000
told me what was happening

00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:30.000
during our interviews I thought

00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.000
well he's incompetent because

00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.000
I like to think the best of people

00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:36.000
I'm thinking people

00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.000
are inherently good but

00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:40.000
sometimes good people are

00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.000
incompetent they do bad things

00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.000
or sometimes they make bad

00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:46.000
decisions but like he really isn't

00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:49.000
evil enough to really keep the

00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.000
kids bedding from them because

00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.000
they lost the lice brush or a lice comb

00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.000
so I told our team I'm

00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:60.000
gonna go back a fourth day and

00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.000
I'm gonna find out whether or

00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.000
not he really followed through

00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.000
on that threat and the next

00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.000
day I came in and I asked the girls

00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.000
so what happened last night

00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.000
where did you sleep

00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:18.000
on the cement on the concrete

00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:19.000
where did the baby sleep

00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:24.000
on the concrete on the cement

00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.000
and I thought

00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:31.000
now we know how seven kids

00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:35.000
have died in US custody

00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.000
in the last year because

00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:39.000
this is what we're doing to them

00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.000
we're putting them in

00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.000
in these overcrowded unsanitary

00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.000
conditions and keeping

00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:50.000
them from their parents

00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:51.000
when we start to talk to the

00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.000
kids about have you talked to

00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:53.000
your family since you came to

00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:56.000
the United States many of them

00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.000
said yes but only once some of

00:44:59.000 --> 00:44:61.000
them said no and by the third

00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.000
day we were there we started

00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:04.000
pull out our cell phones and

00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.000
let the kids call their parents

00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.000
or other family members every

00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.000
single time someone either

00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.000
picked up immediately are

00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.000
called back immediately and

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.000
they'd say thank god are they

00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.000
okay do you want me coming get

00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.000
them you know can I send money

00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:26.000
to put them on an airplane so

00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.000
that they can come you know

00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.000
come be with us these weren't

00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.000
children without people who

00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:34.000
loved them in the United States

00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:35.000
these weren't children that

00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.000
we need to be caring for

00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.000
these are children who are not

00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:43.000
our responsibility and yet 

00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.000
we kept them in these facilities

00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.000
at tremendous cost to them and

00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:50.000
tremendous cost to usl

00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:54.000
let me tell you about another facility

00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.000
I was asked to go to Homestead

00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:59.000
which is an abandoned Air Force

00:45:59.000 --> 00:45:61.000
base in Florida and I said

00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.000
when is it they said

00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:04.000
you know we'll schedule it for

00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.000
spring break and I said you

00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:07.000
know unfortunately have a uncle

00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:11.000
who is dying so I can't go 

00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.000
believe it or not they went anyway so

00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.000
I didn't see Homestead but what

00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.000
I can tell you this is that

00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:23.000
it was a horrendous place by

00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.000
everyone's accounts completely

00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.000
incompetent children being kept

00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.000
there for months not receiving

00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.000
the services and you know the treatment

00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.000
that they need and I don't

00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:36.000
know if you paid attention to

00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.000
the testimony that was offered

00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.000
earlier this month from that

00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.000
Commander Jonathan White who is

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.000
very high up in the Department

00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.000
of Health and Human Services

00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:48.000
but he testified that we are

00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.000
paying approximately fourteen

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:56.000
hundred dollars per day per bed

00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.000
for six hundred beds with

00:46:59.000 --> 00:46:62.000
taxpayer money to the private

00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.000
for-profit corporation that

00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:07.000
is running this incompetent

00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.000
facility on US government land

00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:15.000
and guess who is on the board

00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.000
yes you have former cabinet

00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:19.000
members on the board of this

00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.000
for-profit corporation so you

00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.000
have a situation right now in

00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.000
the United States of America

00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.000
where children are literally

00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.000
being abused and neglected in

00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.000
nonprofit organizations and

00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.000
by for-profit corporations

00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:38.000
in government facilities

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.000
and we're paying for it 

00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:44.000
and these kids don't need us to

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.000
are these kids entitled to be here

00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.000
what I can tell you

00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.000
is that in one study of them

00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:55.000
forty percent of them had

00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.000
legal basis for being in the

00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.000
United States and that other

00:47:59.000 --> 00:47:62.000
sixty percent they have the

00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.000
legal right to be treated

00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.000
humanely during their time in

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.000
our country while they're being

00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.000
processed so none of these

00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.000
kids that should be subjected

00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.000
to the conditions that we've

00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:18.000
documented and in keeping them

00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:20.000
in these facilities that are

00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:24.000
so substandard and so expensive

00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:27.000
work causing long term harm

00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.000
that's gonna cost our society

00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:30.000
whether you measure it is

00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.000
paid for by them as individuals

00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:34.000
or their families or the United

00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.000
States or their home countries

00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.000
we as a global society are

00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.000
gonna end up having to pay

00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.000
for the trauma that they've

00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.000
experienced and in fact there

00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.000
have been a number of lawsuits

00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.000
that were filed they have

00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.000
they've served

00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.000
their notification of intent

00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.000
to file on the US government

00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.000
on behalf of some of the families

00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.000
who have been separated

00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:60.000
because of the trauma that

00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.000
they've been subjected to

00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.000
and we're gonna end up having

00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.000
to pay so if you don't want

00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:06.000
to believe that what we're

00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.000
doing is wrong ethically then

00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:10.000
at least acknowledge that

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.000
it's a stupid thing to do

00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.000
financially because we know

00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:16.000
that these types of conditions

00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:18.000
and this kind of mistreatment

00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.000
of children causes harm and

00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.000
that the person who does it

00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.000
is normally held liable for

00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.000
that harm so that the children

00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:27.000
can get the therapeutic

00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:29.000
interventions that they need

00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.000
in order to heal from the

00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:32.000
mistreatment that they've

00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:33.000
experienced at the hands

00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.000
of our government and those

00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.000
contractors who have agreed

00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:40.000
to care for the children while

00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.000
they're being processed 

00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.000
so this is the Clint border patrol

00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.000
facility where we discovered

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:47.000
that three hundred and up

00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:48.000
I think is was 350

00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.000
children on the Monday that

00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.000
we arrived what we found out

00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:53.000
after we got there is that at

00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.000
one point there were over 600

00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.000
children and apparently

00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.000
when they heard that we were

00:49:59.000 --> 00:49:60.000
coming when we notified them

00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.000
Friday morning that we were

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.000
going to be there on Monday

00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.000
all hold a lot of kids got

00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.000
sent out and a whole lot of

00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.000
kids got showers that weekend

00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.000
and the number of kids also

00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:12.000
got new clothes that weekend

00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.000
because many of these children

00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:15.000
had been in the same clothes

00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.000
that they had been wearing

00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.000
the border and usually what

00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:20.000
happens when kids are right

00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.000
at the border is border patrol

00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:23.000
takes all of their belongings

00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:24.000
and throws them into the

00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.000
trash and they're only able

00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.000
to keep the clothes on their

00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.000
back any important documents

00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:30.000
that they have in their money

00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.000
but everything else the start

00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:32.000
away the baby powder the baby

00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:33.000
formula thrown away the baby

00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.000
diapers are thrown away coats

00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.000
are thrown away cetera so

00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:38.000
they just get the clothes that

00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.000
they're wearing so this

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:41.000
was a border patrol facility

00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:42.000
where we discovered

00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:43.000
these kids and if you go to

00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.000
the next slide and then the

00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:46.000
next one as well it's actually

00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.000
it's a beautiful facility

00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.000
from some perspectives that

00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:50.000
said a LEED facility so it's

00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.000
environmentally responsible

00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:53.000
you can say that for it when

00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:54.000
they wouldn't give us a tour

00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.000
of the facility after we were

00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:57.000
done interviewing the kids

00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:58.000
at the end of the first day

00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:59.000
we drove around the facility

00:50:59.000 --> 00:50:61.000
trying to figure out how they

00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:02.000
would've been authorized for

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:03.000
six hundred to increase our

00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.000
capacity to six hundred and we

00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.000
found this windowless warehouse

00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.000
over in the far corner of the

00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:11.000
property that seem to match

00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:12.000
the description that some of

00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.000
the kids were giving us about

00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.000
where they were being kept as

00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.000
I mentioned something kids were

00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:17.000
being kept in a loading dock

00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.000
others were in this windowless

00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:20.000
warehouse and you know and

00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:21.000
others in the cells and others

00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.000
in the desert but we could not

00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.000
believe but apparently this

00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:26.000
look like a brand new warehouse

00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:27.000
that they just picked up from

00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.000
Home Depot or something and

00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:30.000
slapped up and said let's

00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.000
put a couple hundred kids there

00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.000
so if you go to the next slide

00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.000
one of the kids drew a diagram

00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.000
up for us and it actually

00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.000
match so what this was was one

00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:43.000
of these trailers was a medic

00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:44.000
trailer and the other one was

00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.000
the showers trailer and 

00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:49.000
you can see some of the tents here

00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:50.000
were some of the kids are being

00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:53.000
kept as well and you know we

00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:54.000
started to realize that those

00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:55.000
descriptions that the kids were

00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.000
giving us actually match what

00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.000
we could see from the blocked

00:51:59.000 --> 00:51:60.000
fence on the outside if you

00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.000
could go the next slide -- the

00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:03.000
other thing that we looked at

00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:04.000
we were trying to figure out

00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:06.000
where the kids were being kept

00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.000
is the porta-potties that

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:09.000
we're out here we were like

00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.000
oh my gosh like there are a

00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:13.000
whole bunch of porta-potties

00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:14.000
this was one of you know the

00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:15.000
first clues that there were

00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.000
kids being kept inside was

00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:18.000
the number of porta-potties

00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:19.000
that they had there and so the

00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:21.000
next day we asked one of the

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.000
kids who was describing what

00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:24.000
sounded like the warehouse to

00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:25.000
draw us a picture and he drew

00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.000
exactly the same number of a

00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.000
portable potties that was

00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:30.000
in the photograph that we had

00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.000
taken that the day before --

00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:33.000
if you could go to the next

00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:36.000
slide and there's the picture of

00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.000
that the kid drew and you can

00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:39.000
say that's where the emergency

00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:40.000
trailer was and the showers

00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.000
trailer and then on the other

00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.000
side that's where those porta-potties were

00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:48.000
so we try and conduct trauma informed

00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:49.000
interviews of the children

00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:50.000
and so we often will have the

00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.000
children drawing while they're

00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.000
talking to us and helping them

00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.000
to relax and everything and 

00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:56.000
this is one of those pictures

00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:57.000
that was drawn by the children

00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.000
we often have the children

00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:60.000
draw pictures of hearts their

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.000
families their houses their

00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.000
trip to the United States

00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.000
transportation -- also crosses

00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:08.000
and churches are really

00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.000
frequent -- you know rendition

00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.000
on on these pictures and when

00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:14.000
you're thinking about you know

00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.000
what you can do in light of

00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.000
what you've heard well you know

00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.000
one of the things is that you

00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.000
can please please please go to

00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:23.000
law school and I'm not saying

00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:24.000
that just because I'm a law

00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:26.000
professor and my employment

00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.000
depends on it you really can

00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.000
make a huge difference and the

00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.000
world around you by using law

00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.000
I use primarily international law

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:35.000
as my basis for advocacy

00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:38.000
so I do in addition to the

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.000
the border work that I've been

00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:40.000
doing for the last few years

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:41.000
I do a lot of work with child

00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.000
sex trafficking a lot of work

00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:45.000
around child sex abuse imagery

00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.000
child pornography you know child victims

00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.000
of war and there's so much

00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:51.000
impact that you can have when

00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.000
you use the world the law

00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.000
in your favor and -- and help

00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.000
to create an enduring rule

00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.000
of law structure in order to

00:53:59.000 --> 00:53:62.000
create stability for society in

00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:04.000
addition to Flores there's

00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:07.000
also Ms. L. vs ICE which was the lawsuit that

00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.000
was brought on behalf of

00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:13.000
separated from their children in 2018

00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:14.000
so that was a lawsuit that was

00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:17.000
brought by the ACLU and what

00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:18.000
happened in that case is that

00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.000
the federal court recognized

00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:24.000
that children and their parents

00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:25.000
in the United States have a

00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.000
right to family integrity even if they're not US citizens

00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.000
and that they could not be separated from one

00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:32.000
another without due process

00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:34.000
of law and that what the US

00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.000
government did was they had

00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:37.000
violated the the family's

00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:38.000
constitutional rights by

00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.000
breaking up the family without

00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.000
following the appropriate procedures

00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.000
by for example establishing

00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:44.000
abuse or neglect some those

00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.000
basic exceptions that allow

00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:48.000
children to be taken away but

00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:49.000
there was no basis like that

00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:51.000
here also I mention to you that

00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:52.000
the lawsuits that are being

00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.000
brought now on behalf of the

00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.000
parents who were separated from

00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:56.000
their children so you've got

00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:60.000
the lawsuit Ms. L. versus ICE which was to

00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.000
get our children back to us

00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.000
the tort claims are where now other attorneys

00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:07.000
are bringing lawsuits saying

00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.000
you've caused tremendous trauma

00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.000
to our children and they need

00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:13.000
now therapeutic care and you

00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.000
are responsible you are liable

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:16.000
the state attorney general's

00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:17.000
also brought a lawsuit to

00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.000
keep the Flores protections

00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:20.000
in place because basically

00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:21.000
what happened remember near

00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.000
the beginning where I told you

00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:23.000
that it was the government's

00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:25.000
responsibility the executive

00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:26.000
branch's responsibility to

00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:27.000
promulgate regulations to

00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:28.000
implement the Flores standards

00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.000
the general Flores standards well

00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:34.000
this administration did that Bush 2

00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:37.000
didn't do that President Obama

00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:39.000
didn't do that President Trump

00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:40.000
comes along and he says well

00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:42.000
I'll go ahead and implement Flores standards

00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:44.000
let's lock the kids up forever

00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.000
literally that's what the regulations said

00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.000
and so the state attorney general

00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:51.000
said no that's not okay

00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:52.000
we need protection for these

00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.000
kids they also said oh by the way

00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:55.000
you know how Flores

00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:56.000
said that it needed to be

00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.000
licensed facilities and that

00:55:59.000 --> 00:55:60.000
people get to come in and check on

00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:01.000
the kids make sure they're okay

00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:03.000
we're just going to regulate ourselves

00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:05.000
and we don't need

00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:06.000
any of you outsiders coming

00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:07.000
in checking on the kids 

00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.000
we'll check on the kids ourselves

00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:10.000
and if there are any problems

00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.000
will talk to them about it so

00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:13.000
they tried to get rid of all

00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:14.000
these protections that are set

00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.000
up in Flores and the state

00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:17.000
attorney general brought a

00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.000
lawsuit that said no you need

00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:20.000
to keep Flores in place

00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:21.000
in the meanwhile the children's

00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.000
attorneys brought a lawsuit

00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:24.000
it wasn't really a lawsuit

00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:25.000
as per the original lawsuit

00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.000
but they brought an a motion

00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.000
to prevent the regulations from

00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:32.000
being adopted inside these

00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.000
bore no resemblance to what the

00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:36.000
Flores settlement agreement

00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.000
calls for and the court sided

00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:39.000
with the children and said

00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.000
yep these regulations are not

00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.000
going to take place because

00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.000
they are like a complete

00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:44.000
betrayal of what the basic

00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.000
standards are of care for

00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.000
children in government custody

00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.000
the children and trying to

00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:54.000
educate the public about what

00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.000
they're doing so we started

00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:59.000
a whole campaign we have had

00:56:59.000 --> 00:56:61.000
artists and song writers and

00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:03.000
regular people finding ways to

00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.000
get the children's stories out

00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:06.000
there such as the postcards

00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.000
that you read tonight we have

00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.000
had benefit concerts for these

00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:11.000
kids we have paintings that

00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:13.000
tell these children stories

00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:14.000
we have plays that have been

00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:15.000
produced more plays that are

00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.000
being produced we have -- at

00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:19.000
least twenty eight songs that

00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:20.000
are being written and tonight

00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.000
you're going to get to hear my

00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:22.000
favorite favorite song by my

00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:23.000
favorite favorite songwriters

00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:25.000
I'm so excited for you you know

00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:28.000
and so you can find ways

00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.000
to tell the children stories

00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.000
so that when President Trump

00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:34.000
went on the news after we went

00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.000
public at after we discovered

00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:37.000
the kids that Clint he said

00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.000
that this was fake news but

00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.000
those kids weren't there and

00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:42.000
they weren't really being mstreated

00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.000
and Vice President Pence flew down to

00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:48.000
McClellan to the Ursula facility

00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.000
where the kids are being kept in cages and 

00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.000
so nah they look great to me 

00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.000
all the kids got showers that day and

00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:55.000
they got new clothes that day

00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:56.000
and he said now I talk to kids

00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.000
and they gave me a thumbs up 

00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:59.000
you know they're doing swell

00:57:59.000 --> 00:57:61.000
so we don't want them to

00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.000
whitewash the history and the

00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:04.000
brutality that these kids are

00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:06.000
experiencing -- and so we ask

00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.000
you to engage by telling the

00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:09.000
children's stories and finding

00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:10.000
ways to amplify them we have

00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.000
a website amplifythechildren.org

00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.000
and you can get ideas

00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.000
there and share them online

00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:18.000
also it's really really important that you engage

00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:20.000
with your legislators that

00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:21.000
what the members of Congress

00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.000
tell us we spent a week there

00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:24.000
in September a number of my

00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:26.000
colleagues testified there 

00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.000
we discovered and the

00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:31.000
in the Congress the members of

00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:34.000
Congress they all cared like we

00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:38.000
had a full bi-partisan audience

00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:39.000
at briefings that we did

00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.000
for both the Senate and the

00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.000
House we had thirty invitations

00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.000
to meet in congressional

00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.000
offices twenty Democrats ten

00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:48.000
Republicans and we have the

00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:49.000
opportunity to meet with more

00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:51.000
but we couldn't schedule them all in

00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:52.000
they care and what they

00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:54.000
told us as they need to hear

00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:55.000
from you that you do not want

00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:56.000
kids locked up in the United

00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:58.000
States of America and you do not

00:58:58.000 --> 00:58:59.000
want them to be abused in the

00:58:59.000 --> 00:58:60.000
way that that we've documented

00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.000
through the children's

00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:04.000
testimony we reach out to the

00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:06.000
international community we

00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.000
at Willamette just filed a

00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:10.000
submission to the UN where we took the children's

00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:11.000
quote such as the quotes

00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:13.000
that you read tonight and we

00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:15.000
submitted the children's first

00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.000
hand accounts to the United

00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:18.000
Nations human rights council

00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:19.000
the United States is currently

00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:20.000
undergoing a universal

00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:23.000
periodic review and the human

00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:25.000
rights council accepts first

00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.000
hand accounts of violations

00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:28.000
of human rights during that

00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.000
universal periodic review which

00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:31.000
happens every five years and

00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:33.000
so we shared these children's

00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:34.000
stories as part of the what

00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.000
the United States UPR

00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:39.000
also because these kids have

00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:40.000
the right to be in foster care

00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.000
we're trying to identify more

00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:43.000
foster families more foster

00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.000
homes that can care for these

00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.000
children for you know the one

00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:48.000
to three weeks that it might

00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.000
take to process these kids

00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:51.000
to find their parents reach

00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:52.000
out to them do the background

00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.000
checks that are required to get

00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.000
these kids home so if you're

00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:56.000
willing to provide a foster

00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.000
home for the kids then sign

00:59:58.000 --> 00:59:60.000
up at americankindertransport. org

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right now that's not

01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:04.000
the place where you would start

01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:06.000
the foster care -- licensing

01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.000
but we're trying to show the

01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:09.000
government that there really

01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:11.000
are enough homes out there of

01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.000
Americans who would like to

01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.000
you to care for these kids for

01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.000
that limited period of time

01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:18.000
and what we're trying to argue

01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:19.000
for its that the kids should

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be placed in foster homes near

01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.000
where their family is so if you

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have a kid whose family lives

01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:26.000
here in Salem that they should

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be placed in a foster home here

01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.000
in Salem so that they can visit

01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:30.000
with their family during the

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the background check period

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and then -- I know that you are

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many of you are students and

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so you know not yet but like

01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:39.000
when you graduate amd you know

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have some resources consider

01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.000
donating to organizations that

01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:45.000
are trying to to help these

01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.000
kids and with that I'd like

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for you to hear from our 

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you know our musicians

01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:54.000
and then we will open up the

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:56.000
rest of our time to questions

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from you okay so let me tell

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you a minute about what's happening here 

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so Kristen Grainger and Dan Wetzel

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they are Oregon

01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:08.000
residents very very talented

01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:14.000
song writer and guitarist and they have

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received all these national

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awards for their song writing

01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:19.000
and they're absolutely amazing

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and a few months ago about a

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month and a half ago Neil Young

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issued a call to song writers

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to support the children by

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telling their stories through

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song and I was so so excited

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when Kristen reached out to

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me about a month ago and

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said I've been thinking

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about writing a song about

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the kids and as I mentioned

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I try and go to all of her

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performances that I can and

01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:45.000
I absolutely love her and Dan

01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.000
and their music and she has

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written just an absolutely

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beautiful song about these

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kids and the facilities and

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so -- they are the I don't

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know what to call y

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you're the lead singer and lead guitarist

01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.000
for True North which is this

01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:04.000
award winning band but they're

01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.000
capacity as a duo -- tonight

01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:10.000
so welcome Kristen and Dan

01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.000
it's a song writers job to

01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.000
comfort upset people and upset

01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:18.000
comfortable people and that's

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what this this song is is

01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:21.000
designed to do this song is

01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.000
written from the perspective

01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.000
of two children -- and it's

01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:27.000
based on the sworn testimony

01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:29.000
that Warren referred to earlier

01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.000
that that the interviews that

01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.000
that they conducted these these

01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:34.000
children I'd encourage you to

01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:35.000
go online and read those if

01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.000
you have a moment but it's up

01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.000
for you those we don't speak

01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.000
Spanish -- there are three

01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:42.000
Spanish words in the song --

01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.000
Americanos which obviously is

01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.000
Americans -- abuelos which is

01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:49.000
grandfathers and abuelito

01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:51.000
which is grandpa the

01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.000
diminutive or a familiar of

01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.000
grandfather and it's called

01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.000
The Ghost of Abuelito

01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.000
Miguel my brother he's 11

01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:11.000
I am Alma I am 7

01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:14.000
old enough to remember home

01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:18.000
the sound of gunfire in the night

01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:22.000
an ordinary part of the life

01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.000
at least the only life I've ever known

01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:29.000
Miguel refused to cry the day

01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:33.000
he headed north from Ecuador  

01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:37.000
to the USA even we gave our dog away

01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:45.000
even after throwing stones to make her stay

01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:50.000
he says the ghost of Abuelito

01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:55.000
comes to him when he's afraid

01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.000
his sprit comes down from the stars

01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:61.000
still smells of coffee and cigars 

01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.000
but when he is there Miguel is brave

01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:17.000
Abuelito wanted it the way

01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:18.000
at the border things got

01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:20.000
tense with our backs

01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.000
against the fence all

01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:26.000
those uniforms and guns

01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:29.000
Americanos took our mother in

01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:32.000
one direction and us the other and

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:35.000
we haven't seen our mother since

01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:41.000
inside a hundred babies cry

01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.000
and I can't stop myself from always asking why

01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:48.000
when will my mama come to get me

01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:51.000
did she go off and forget me

01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:55.000
Miguel just takes my hand and sighs

01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:59.000
he says the ghost of Abuelito

01:04:59.000 --> 01:04:65.000
comes to us when we're afraid

01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.000
his spirit comes down from the stars

01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.000
still smells of coffee and cigars

01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:11.000
but when he is there

01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:14.000
we'll both be brave

01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:20.000
Abuelito wanted it that way

01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:24.000
he says Abuelito told him 

01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:29.000
America will always take you in

01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:33.000
her gates are guarded by a goddess

01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.000
she welcomes you

01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:42.000
no matter where you've been

01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:44.000
minutes hours days two weeks

01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:47.000
Miguel my brother hardly speaks

01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:51.000
bit by bit he's disappearing

01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:53.000
I asked him if he'd say the

01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:55.000
prayer the one that brings

01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:61.000
Abuelito here he says Abuelito's hard of hearing

01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:05.000
inside a hundred babies cry

01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:11.000
those that are old enough to talk keep asking why

01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:14.000
when will my mama come to get me

01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:16.000
did she go often forget me and

01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:18.000
I take their tiny hands and lie

01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:24.000
I say the ghost of Abuelos 

01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:30.000
guard us as we sleep under the moon

01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:32.000
Abuelos hate to see us suffer

01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:35.000
they're out searching for our mothers 

01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:38.000
and they'll bring our mothers soon

01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.000
Abuelos hate to see us suffer

01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:45.000
they're out searching for our mothers 

01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:52.000
and they'll bring our mothers soon

01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:58.000
 - applause

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okay so our first question

01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:03.000
what's being done to try

01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:04.000
to keep the kids with their

01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:06.000
parents in the case that the

01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:07.000
parents get deported 

01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:10.000
basically what's going on now is that

01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:13.000
there are there's a new policy

01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.000
it's called excuse me the

01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.000
immigration protection protocol

01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.000
and basically what it says is

01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:23.000
that you will if you're coming

01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:26.000
here to claim asylum that you

01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:29.000
will be sent to Mexico while your

01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:32.000
asylum claim is being heard

01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.000
and so what we are finding

01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:37.000
now is that the families are

01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:39.000
being kept together but they're

01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:41.000
being kept in Mexico where

01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.000
they have no where to live

01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:47.000
and no one way to work and no

01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:50.000
place to sleep and so we are

01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:52.000
hearing reports from children

01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:55.000
and families of being kidnapped

01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:57.000
in Mexico held for ransom

01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:59.000
sleeping on the street sleeping

01:07:59.000 --> 01:07:61.000
on cardboard boxes -- being

01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:03.000
hungry sometimes not eating

01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:05.000
for days -- having to beg for

01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:07.000
food -- I mentioned earlier

01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:08.000
that one of my colleagues had

01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:09.000
two kids he interviewed --

01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:11.000
who were murdered in Mexico

01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.000
and if you've taken a really

01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.000
really really bad situation

01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:16.000
and made it a heck of a lot

01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.000
worse so the families are

01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:24.000
together but they're in Mexico

01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:26.000
it seems that other children

01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:27.000
who are wards of the state

01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.000
particularly incarcerated

01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:30.000
youth are guaranteed much more

01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.000
comprehensive care -- it's not

01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:34.000
great but notably better

01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:36.000
why are there such wide discrepancies

01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:37.000
between practices of caring

01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:40.000
for youth in custody of the government 

01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:44.000
you are absolutely right that both

01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:45.000
children who are in prison in

01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:47.000
the United States and adults

01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:48.000
who are in prison in the United

01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.000
States have better conditions

01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.000
than than we've documented --

01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:53.000
during our site inspections and

01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.000
our interviews of children

01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:57.000
who are immigrants and I think

01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:60.000
that -- part of it comes from

01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.000
the fact that these children

01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:04.000
of so many of these children

01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:05.000
are in border patrol facilities

01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.000
and they're not supposed to be

01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:09.000
there border patrols facilities

01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:11.000
are notoriously horrendous for

01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:14.000
adults I have border patrol

01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:15.000
officers who come up to me all

01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:18.000
the time and they say I am on

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:21.000
your side I am a dad I am a mom

01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:23.000
like these kids do not belong

01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:24.000
here we need to get them out

01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:26.000
you guys need to be successful

01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.000
because we can't take care of

01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:29.000
the kids here they're gonna

01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:30.000
you know bad he's gonna happen

01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:31.000
to them we can't he can't meet

01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:33.000
their needs and and so the

01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:35.000
border patrol recognizes that

01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:37.000
the kids don't belong there

01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:38.000
the basically what we've had

01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:41.000
is a major mass mismanagement

01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:43.000
of immigration policy that's

01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:45.000
driven by this this theory

01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.000
that if were cruel enough that

01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:49.000
the word will get out how

01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:53.000
brutal it is on the US border and people will stop coming

01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:55.000
but they didn't and so

01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:57.000
now what we've done is but as I

01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:58.000
mentioned to you now what we've

01:09:58.000 --> 01:09:59.000
done is we force them to wait

01:09:59.000 --> 01:09:61.000
in Mexico and in addition to

01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:02.000
sending them back while their

01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:05.000
cases are being -- processed

01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:08.000
we also are practicing metering

01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:10.000
which means that people have

01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.000
to wait their turn in order

01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:13.000
to come across the border and

01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:15.000
claim asylum could then be

01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.000
sent back to Mexico to wait

01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:18.000
while their asylum claim is

01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:21.000
being heard and guess what

01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:24.000
the kids who are unaccompanied

01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.000
are never allowed to meter the

01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.000
metering isn't allowing them

01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:29.000
and so you have these kids who

01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:31.000
can never get across and what

01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.000
we're hearing from -- actually

01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:34.000
we have Willamette students

01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:37.000
here is that right so I met

01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:38.000
with a number of Willamette students

01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:40.000
formal Willamette students now their 

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.000
alumni and they're working on the border

01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:43.000
crisis we have a service trip

01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:46.000
planned for June -- they are

01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.000
describing being in Mexico

01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.000
and literally seeing border

01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:52.000
patrol officers physically

01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:56.000
blocking the kids from being

01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:58.000
able to step across the border

01:10:58.000 --> 01:10:61.000
because once they do they can't

01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:02.000
be returned if they're unaccompanied

01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:04.000
only if there as a family

01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:07.000
and so rather than let

01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:10.000
them across the border they

01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:11.000
are physically blocking them

01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:12.000
from coming across and they're

01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:14.000
setting up a metering system

01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:15.000
that doesn't allow them ever

01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.000
to come across and you know

01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.000
and claim asylum and so we have

01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:22.000
these policies that are trying

01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:25.000
to keep these kids out from

01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:26.000
claiming asylum in the United

01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:28.000
States even though as we talked

01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.000
about earlier in the program

01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:32.000
we actively contributed to the

01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:34.000
creation of the conditions that

01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:35.000
cause the need for them to try

01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:37.000
and escape these unbearable

01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:38.000
conditions so it's like we've

01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:39.000
contributed to the creation

01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:41.000
of unbearable situation and

01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:43.000
now they're leaving in order

01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:44.000
to try and survive and we

01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:46.000
physically are blocking them

01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:48.000
from coming to the country that

01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:49.000
said don't worry we'll take

01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:50.000
care of you we'll give you aid

01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:51.000
and of course we pull that a

01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:53.000
back don't worry we'll give

01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:54.000
you favorable asylum you know

01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:56.000
treatment and of course you

01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.000
know we withdrew that favorable

01:11:58.000 --> 01:11:59.000
asylum treatment and now we're

01:11:59.000 --> 01:11:60.000
not even giving them the basic

01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:01.000
asylum treatment that they're

01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:03.000
entitled to under both American

01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:05.000
and under international law

01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:07.000
to claim regular asylum status

01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:08.000
we're just physically blocking

01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:09.000
them from coming across the

01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.000
border at this point but it's

01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:12.000
you know I think part of it's

01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:14.000
racism I think part of it is

01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:16.000
this policy from this policy

01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:17.000
document that I mentioned

01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:20.000
you know came out 2017 which is like we're

01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:21.000
just going to make this

01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:22.000
process so brutal that they'll

01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.000
stop coming eventually

01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:26.000
is it safe for person with legal

01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:28.000
residency to travel -- back to

01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:30.000
to Mexico and back to

01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.000
United States under the current political climate

01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:35.000
so I'm not an immigration lawyer

01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:37.000
I'm a children's rights scholar and so

01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:39.000
I can't you know I can't give

01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:41.000
you an immigration advice about

01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:43.000
you know ninety nine point

01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:44.000
nine percent of immigration

01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:45.000
questions are few that I

01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:46.000
know about but you know that

01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:47.000
particular one what I can tell

01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:50.000
you is it and this is going to

01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:51.000
shock you in is going to break

01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:52.000
your heart but maybe America's

01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:53.000
already broke your heart the

01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:56.000
last few years -- it so when

01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:58.000
we were down on the Mexican

01:12:58.000 --> 01:12:60.000
border earlier this month we heard

01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:04.000
heard about US citizens who

01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:06.000
were going into Mexico to train

01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:08.000
the children and their families

01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.000
on what their rights were and

01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:13.000
a train legal observers to

01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:14.000
go with them to the border

01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.000
to ensure that children were

01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:17.000
able to exercise their right

01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:19.000
to enter the United States

01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:20.000
for the purpose of claiming asylum

01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:22.000
because we know is it

01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:23.000
illegal to come to the United

01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:27.000
States without documentation

01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:29.000
in all cases you're saying no

01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:34.000
it's never illegal

01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.000
it is illegal unless what's the exception

01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:39.000
unless you're coming

01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:41.000
across to claim asylum

01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:43.000
so it is illegal to come to United

01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:45.000
States without appropriate

01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:47.000
documentation unless you're

01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:50.000
here to claim asylum now

01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:53.000
how illegal is it what type

01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:55.000
of a crime is it to enter

01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:56.000
the United States without

01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:59.000
appropriate documentation

01:13:59.000 --> 01:13:64.000
and it -- it is a misdemeanor

01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:06.000
so what what that means is you

01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:08.000
know when you cut through that

01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:09.000
person's yard and our trust

01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:12.000
passing that's a misdemeanor

01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:13.000
you know when you're having

01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:14.000
that party after finals are

01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:15.000
over you play your music little

01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:18.000
too loud that's a misdemeanor

01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:20.000
that's the level of crime

01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:22.000
so yes for the people are

01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:24.000
coming to claim asylum it's

01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:26.000
not illegal for them to cross

01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:27.000
the border but for those who

01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:31.000
are -- you know that it did

01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:33.000
where it is illegal it's a

01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:36.000
misdemeanor offense and so the

01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:37.000
idea that you would lose your

01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:39.000
children over it is absolutely

01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:41.000
absurd so anyway going back to

01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:43.000
legal observers of the legal

01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:44.000
observers are going down and

01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:46.000
they're trying to train people

01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.000
to accompany the kids so that

01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:49.000
they can come across the border

01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:54.000
and exercise their rights and

01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:56.000
what has happened is apparently

01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:58.000
the US government has told the

01:14:58.000 --> 01:14:60.000
Mexican government to shut the

01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.000
operation down so the Mexican

01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.000
government is going to the US citizens who are trying

01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:06.000
to protect these kids in

01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:08.000
exercising their rights and

01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.000
they're saying we are going to arrest you

01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:11.000
for child trafficking and we're going to

01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:15.000
throw you in a Mexican jail and

01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:16.000
some people say you know what

01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:17.000
all I'll be going back to San Diego

01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:20.000
no problem other people say

01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:24.000
yeah that's okay try it

01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:27.000
so then the Mexican cartels

01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:28.000
are going to them and say either you

01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:30.000
get out of Mexico or

01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.000
we will cut you up into little cubes

01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.000
and they're like okay

01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:37.000
this is getting more serious

01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:40.000
all this appears to be happening

01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:42.000
action of our government which

01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:44.000
is threatening all sorts of

01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:46.000
sanctions if these governments

01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.000
do not do what they want and

01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:49.000
to think about this think

01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:52.000
about your government asking

01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:54.000
a foreign governments to

01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:56.000
threaten American citizens

01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.000
who are lawfully training

01:15:58.000 --> 01:15:61.000
people to inform people 

01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:05.000
childen not just people children of their legal rights

01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:08.000
how messed up is that

01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.000
and yet that appears to be

01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.000
the political climate on the

01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:13.000
border right now in addition

01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.000
to that the Mexican government

01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:18.000
has hired a bunch of mall cops to

01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:20.000
ride around the border you

01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:22.000
is not really what's going on

01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:23.000
you know but I have a picture

01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:24.000
of them on those you know what

01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:28.000
it what it is called yeah the segways

01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:29.000
riding along the border but

01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:30.000
really what they're doing is

01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:31.000
they're walking all along the

01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:34.000
border and trying to prevent

01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:36.000
children families ecetera

01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:38.000
from coming across the border

01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.000
now remember this we are no

01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.000
where near the highest number

01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.000
of immigration when measured

01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:45.000
by apprehensions that we've

01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.000
had in the last thirty years

01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:49.000
we are often in recent years

01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:50.000
during this administration

01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:51.000
at about one fifth the highest

01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:53.000
number and it was like oh

01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:55.000
my god we have a crisis there's all these people

01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:58.000
no you have had 5 times this number

01:16:58.000 --> 01:16:59.000
you should be able to handle it

01:16:59.000 --> 01:16:62.000
you can handle 10-12 thousand kids

01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:03.000
at a time like why are you

01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:06.000
freaking out if you look at

01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:07.000
our capacity for processing

01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:09.000
kids the United States if we

01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:11.000
stayed with that twenty day

01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:13.000
maximum we could process about

01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.000
a quarter million kids a year

01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:17.000
and instead were like we had to

01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:19.000
put fifty thousand kids we need

01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:21.000
to open abondonded airforce

01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:23.000
base and oh we're so disorganized

01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:25.000
we can't handle children

01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:27.000
it's like all you gotta do

01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:29.000
is take them into protective

01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:32.000
custody call ORR get them to

01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:35.000
a licensed foster home run a

01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:36.000
background check to mom and

01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:37.000
then I promise you I know from

01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:38.000
experience are going to answer

01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:39.000
answer on the first or second

01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:42.000
ring and then transfer them

01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:44.000
over put him on a plane and

01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.000
and charge the parents they're going to pay

01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:48.000
they're like just send my kid

01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:49.000
home I live here you know I'll take care

01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:52.000
of them so it it really is an

01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:53.000
absolutely insane situation

01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:56.000
that we have going on with people

01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:59.000
who all they're trying to do is

01:17:59.000 --> 01:17:62.000
allow other people to exercise

01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:04.000
their lawful rights and because

01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:05.000
of what's going on at the

01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.000
border with the US government

01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:08.000
pressuring the Mexican

01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:09.000
government to not only go

01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.000
after the migrants and asylum

01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:15.000
seekers but US citizens as

01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:16.000
well and making a big deal out

01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:17.000
of numbers that really aren't

01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:19.000
that big and you know the

01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:20.000
historical period but of course

01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:21.000
the change is not the numbers

01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:23.000
the changes the fact that were

01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:27.000
used to young men coming from

01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:29.000
Mexico and Central America so

01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:31.000
that we can at the exploit them

01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:33.000
economically and we're happy to

01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:34.000
look the other way when we've

01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:36.000
got you know a hundred thousand

01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:38.000
hundred fifty thousand you know workers

01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:42.000
coming in a in a given month but if it's

01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:46.000
all of a sudden kids it's like

01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:47.000
ahhhh they're going to need they're diapers changed

01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:48.000
out of the seventy

01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:50.000
children you interviewed how

01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:51.000
many were Guatemalan and what

01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:52.000
were the most common dialects

01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:54.000
spoken by the children 

01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:57.000
I'd have to check the roster yeah

01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:58.000
I don't remember the exact

01:18:58.000 --> 01:18:60.000
numbers so what I can tell you

01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:04.000
is that -- we had a lot more

01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:05.000
you know most the children that

01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:06.000
we interviewed at Clint were

01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:08.000
Spanish speaking -- but we had

01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:11.000
a lot of children at -- at the

01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:14.000
Walmart who were -- you know

01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:17.000
who required -- interpreters

01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:19.000
for indigenous languages

01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:20.000
when Congress passed the border

01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:21.000
supplemental bill over the

01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:23.000
summer in July they gave

01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.000
money to DHS and ICE with no

01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:27.000
accountability provisions how

01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:29.000
has this blank check affected

01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:30.000
the legal and political climate

01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:31.000
as well as conditions of child

01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:33.000
 

01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:34.000
day of my life remember when

01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:35.000
I was on a family vacation

01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:37.000
this is what I was doing like

01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:38.000
first my show up four days

01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.000
late to family vacation because

01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:41.000
we ended up having this ten day

01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:46.000
media storm that 24/7 and I

01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.000
in the meanwhile like every

01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:49.000
politician in America is saying

01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:52.000
save the children we have to protect the children

01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:55.000
like Mike Pence is like we gotta

01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.000
to save the kids and you know

01:19:57.000 --> 01:19:59.000
and and if you don't I and

01:19:59.000 --> 01:19:60.000
and I'm sitting there and I'm

01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:01.000
listening to the speaker of

01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:02.000
the house Nancy Pelosi and

01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:06.000
she's like it's all about the children

01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:08.000
wait a second you're talking

01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:11.000
about expanding the period of

01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:12.000
detention that the kids can

01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:14.000
be kept but don't pass these

01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:16.000
bills like that you're talking

01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:17.000
about that you're sending back

01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:18.000
and forth you're making the

01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:20.000
situation worse and by the way

01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:24.000
that supplemental bill full

01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:27.000
of money for the military some

01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:30.000
like okay can see this it's

01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:31.000
like I'd like to speak to the

01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:32.000
speaker of the house because

01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:34.000
you guys are about to get him

01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:36.000
totally taken can you please

01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:38.000
tell me how the Coast Guard

01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:40.000
is supposed to be taking care

01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:41.000
of these kids when the border

01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:42.000
patrol can't even take care

01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:43.000
of these kids like having and

01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:45.000
take care of the kids at sea

01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:48.000
and so remember all the money

01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:51.000
that the president allocated

01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:53.000
from the military where do you

01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:55.000
think that money came from it

01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:56.000
came from this supplemental

01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:58.000
spending bill and so what they

01:20:58.000 --> 01:20:60.000
did was in addition to say well

01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:02.000
you know what we need we need

01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:04.000
more facilities it's like no

01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:06.000
you don't need more facilities

01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:07.000
you just need to get these

01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:08.000
kids home if you just get these

01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:10.000
kids home then we don't have

01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.000
to pay for these facilities

01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:14.000
to keep them and keep them in

01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:16.000
a state of being traumatized

01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:17.000
by preventing them from being

01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:20.000
with their families so this

01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:22.000
supplemental spending bill 

01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.000
I think everybody in Congress

01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:26.000
knew they were being taken but

01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:28.000
because everybody was using

01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:29.000
this -- you must save the

01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:31.000
children language they made

01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:33.000
it seem like this was for the

01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:35.000
kids benefit when it absolutely

01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:36.000
was not there was money for

01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:37.000
expansion of foster care

01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:39.000
facilities in there I think

01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:40.000
was like a hundred thousand

01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:41.000
dollars out of what what's

01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:42.000
at the the you know it's like

01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:44.000
four hundred fifty five million

01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:45.000
dollars and we're going to give

01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:46.000
a hundred thousand dollars to

01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:47.000
like the expansion of foster

01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:49.000
care facilities is like that's

01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:50.000
where they're supposed to be

01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.000
kept in the first place and --

01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:53.000
by the way none of that money

01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:55.000
has been spent as of last month

01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:56.000
when we looked at one of the

01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:58.000
money has been spent militaries

01:21:58.000 --> 01:21:60.000
dispersed foster care not a

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dime totally untouched but they

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really what they were trying

01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:05.000
to do is expand the facilities

01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:07.000
for the purpose of these

01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:09.000
for-profit corporations that are

01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:10.000
being paid all this money to

01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:12.000
maintain a facility at you know

01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:14.000
an incompetent facility it was

01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:16.000
six hundred empty beds and then

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like the nonprofit facility

01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.000
which at Casa Padre where

01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:22.000
that organization runs a whole

01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:23.000
bunch of facilities they run

01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:25.000
more facilities than any non

01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:26.000
other nonprofit in the country

01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:28.000
Father Juan is getting a lot of

01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:29.000
money from that supplemental

01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:32.000
spending bill so that that

01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:33.000
was a total waste of money and

01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:35.000
completely fraudulent in my in

01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:37.000
my book and it was an attempt

01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:39.000
to take money from the kids

01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:41.000
and give it to the military so

01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:42.000
that Trump can then take that

01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:46.000
military and build the wall

01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:47.000
this will be our last question

01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:48.000
as we are regretfully running

01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.000
out of time I'm interested in

01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:51.000
journalism and how can I use

01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:54.000
those skills I have to help

01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:57.000
I love you truth seekers yeah

01:22:57.000 --> 01:22:60.000
I'm a so I can tell you that I

01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:02.000
probably talked to I mean here

01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.000
we are what four months out

01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:07.000
from this and I probably talk

01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:09.000
to three to four journalists a

01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:12.000
week to this day because they

01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:14.000
are trying everything they

01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:16.000
can to keep the light on these

01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:17.000
kids and they want to know

01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:19.000
what we're hearing and you know

01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:21.000
from the kids in Mexico and

01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:22.000
they want to know like you know

01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:23.000
what are different angles that

01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:25.000
they can be pursuing in order

01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.000
to bring these kids plight to light

01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:28.000
because we get drained

01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:29.000
and people get tired of hearing

01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:31.000
about kids being abused in

01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:32.000
government custody and then

01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:34.000
on top of that you have all

01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:36.000
of these distractions that 

01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:38.000
I believe are created in order

01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:40.000
to prevent us from completing

01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:43.000
a thought and so I think that

01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:44.000
you know journalists have been

01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:47.000
some the most disciplined --

01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:49.000
members of society in keeping

01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:51.000
us focused on the kids in cages

01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:53.000
every kid is in cage but you

01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:55.000
know just the theme of keeping

01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:56.000
kids in inappropriate

01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:58.000
circumstances that are abusive

01:23:58.000 --> 01:23:59.000
so I think that you know

01:23:59.000 --> 01:23:61.000
journalists can absolutely

01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:02.000
make a difference in society

01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:05.000
by not allowing the public to

01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:07.000
fall prey to misinformation

01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:08.000
and I think that we've seen

01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:10.000
attempts at you know mass of

01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:11.000
misinformation over the last

01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:12.000
few years including about

01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.000
these kids and I just think

01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.000
you know that you are

01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:18.000
the you know one of the key

01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:20.000
defenders of our society you

01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:22.000
are a pillar of our society

01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:23.000
by you know seeking truth and

01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:25.000
holding people accountable

01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:26.000
in the public sphere to make

01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:28.000
sure that we maintain the

01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:29.000
rule of law and that we you

01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:31.000
know maintain quite frankly

01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:33.000
civilization because anybody

01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:36.000
who thinks that it is okay

01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:41.000
to abuse and neglect children

01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:45.000
by a government it -

01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:47.000
civilization will fail unless

01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:49.000
you take a stand against these

01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:50.000
kinds of practices and it's in

01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:51.000
it's the journalists who are

01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:53.000
keeping us focused on this so

01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:54.000
I'm happy to stay thank you

01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:55.000
so much everybody for coming

01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:57.000
tonight and hearing about this

01:24:59.000 --> 01:24:61.000
thank you so much Warren